Lol. I'd love to parachute down into this Convo. Americans were racist, french were racist japanese were racist vietnamese were racist, it's almost like being "racist" is just a natural human thing unless you live in a monoethnic society a thousand + miles away from the nearest others then you can wring your hands at the horrors of racism 4000 miles away in comfort. Sweden & South Africa I'm looking at you. Anyhow they're in the thick of it, and Australia likewise was Dunn Dunn duhhhn "racist".

...that it's ok if you were successful prior to 1900 but being a smaller power and not anglophone you'te "just a dick" as Cam put it. There's a lot more to DeGaulle & France for the 20th c than that no matter how wise, reasonable, far seeing or w/e Ho was. And all this ain't about supporting the US involvement in Indochina(they weren't just in Vietnam as we ought all know). There's a lot more to DeGaulle. And I'm no Gaullist just a southern boy lookin to do my thang.

...hold the settler nations of which Indochine was one. I mean this wasn't just a colonial bureaucrat station in Timbuktu for collecting taxes. Algeria was another one - diff story but this was like France's Australia - smaller and further from home than like Canada for Britain. And of course the failure of the 3rd republic, invasion of the Japanese etc screwed up the French situation by this time. I give this bc NOBODY bothers giving their perspective bc the proto- welt stadt powers decided...

So y'all have given a very good understanding of Ho and a sympathetic one. It's easier to understand him/the movement etc more having gone thru these past 3 ep's. That said the others are human too. It's quite easy to cast judgment on France or the Franco-Indochine's settlers when hailing from long successful & secured settler-nations such as Australia or America. The French in Indochine had far as they were concerned put down roots there for 120~ years and being smaller wanted to tenaciously...