Thus Ep was so interesting.

love yall!

Did you know Matt Baker's parents' former foster children came forward and claimed that Barbara and Oscar had abused them? Matt learned that behavior someplace.

The little Gregory case was very interesting it's to long of a series I googled the rest of his story

The book concusion is a really good book

Be part of the TRUTH ladies. Otherwise, those boys blood is partly on your hands. Why? Because you fail to honorably research and as a result, you dishonor those boys by spreading confusion by a podcast like this. I’ve researched this case for 200 plus hours. Have read everything. And I wanted them to be innocent. ZERO chance. They are as guilty as sin. RESEARCH. This podcast was reckless and irresponsible. Sorry, someone has to hold people like you responsible.

And as a reminder of how horrific this crime was: During his initial police interview, Echols stated that the killer probably urinated in one or more of the boys’ mouths, apropos of nothing. Urine was later found in the stomachs of 2 of the victims, but that information was given by phone only to Gitchell, and not before May 16th, 1993. There is no possible way Damien Echols could have had case- specific information unless he was there or knew someone that was that told him what occurred, as the detective interviewing him at the time was clueless to that fact during the interview. At the time Damien mentioned this detail, no one would have known about this, except those directly involved with the crime. Damien attempted to explain this away by saying he was “thinking about what I would have done if I was the killer”. 

Oh let’s finish on my absolute favorite one: Satanic Panic. • Worried that the case would be branded an example of “Satanic Panic” the trial was moved over an hour away to Jonesboro (Echols and Baldwin) and Corning (Misskelley) in order to give the defendants a better shot at seating fair, unbiased juries. All those “damning” stories in the West Memphis papers? The jury never saw them. All those damning rumors? The jury never heard them. The jury was mostly under 30, with very little religious influence (Jonesboro is a college town, and it was thought the younger Jury pool would favor the WM3, to the point that the state was accused of bias against the prosecution…) Yeah you’re right, they’re totally innocent. I was a formally a big supporter, but as I read the case files it seemed more and more likely to me they did it.. and the trouble was that the majority of people only had a biased view of the case… There was so many things that didn’t add up for me. The supporters just refused to even consider the possibility they did it and I found myself believing more and more in their guilt. It was upsetting because I too was a mentally ill, weirdo in a small town and I related to Damien because of that (and a lot of people I admired like Jello Biafra, Henry Rollins, Eddie Vedder, etc were big supporters). Ultimately the fact it became a punk/alternative cause célèbre bothered me so much that I became really passionate about showing people the evidence against Echols and co, and reminding them that three eight year old boys were brutally murdered and they should be the ones front and center, not Damien.

- [ ] February 17, 1994 – Jessie confesses again, this time to the prosecutors. His attorneys begged him not to give this confession, but he gave it anyway (source) - [ ] October 24, 1994 – Jessie’s cell mate wrote to the prosecutors begging him to keep the WM3 in prison, saying Jessie had repeatedly confessed to the crime in detail and describing it as “awful” and “cold”. He had no reason to do this, it was no benefit to him.. he was simply disturbed by the campaign to release the WM3 after what Jessie had said (source) - [ ] 1994 – Present Day – Jessie continued to confess, possibly to prison counselors (heavily rumored and hinted at by his own attorney and said to be the reason Damien Echols fell out with him) but definitely to fans, most notably one known as TrueRomance, who as a result of what Jessie told her switched from one of their most vocal supporters to the total opposite and her story can be read online.

- [ ] The Confessions – Jessie didn’t confess “once” after hours of questioning. That’s another lie. - [ ] May 6th 1993 – The day after the murders, Jessie told his friend Buddy Lucas that he’d “hurt some boys” the day before. He then cried and gave Buddy a pair of sneakers (source) - [ ] May – June 1993 – Jessie is heard crying, praying and apologizing in his room. He would later be diagnosed with PTSD, after witnessing a “traumatic event” that people still think he completely made up. - [x] June 3, 1993 – Jessie arrived with his father for questioning and confesses. This is where people imply he was questioned for 12 hours. He wasn’t. He arrived at 10am and confessed at 2:20pm. Only two hours of that time was interrogation (source) - [ ] June 11, 1993 – Jessie confesses to his attorneys (source) - [ ] August 19, 1993 – Jessie Misskelley met with his attorney, Dan Stidham, at the Clay County Detention Center and confessed again (source) - [ ] February 4, 1994 – On the day he was sentenced, Jessie confessed to the officers driving him to the prison (source) - [ ] February 8, 1994- Jessie put his hand on a Bible and swore to his attorney (Dan Stidham) that he, Damien, and Jason committed the murders. As proof, he told Stidham that he was drunk on Evan Williams whiskey during the murders and the broken bottle could be found where he threw it on the ground under a bridge in West Memphis. Stidham told prosecutors he would be force to believe his client’s confession if he could find that bottle. So Stidham, WMPD, and the prosecutors drove to West Memphis to look for it. They found a broken Evan Williams bottle in the exact area that Jessie said it would be. (source)

* In his book “Almost Home” Damien claims he “barely” knew Jessie Misskelley. The testimony of Domini Teer, Jim McNease, Jason Crosby, Deanna Holcomb, and about 15 others testifies to a friendship between the two, with everyone mentioning them walking around town together, attending events, turning up at people’s houses together and so on. It’s a total lie, and a poor one. * Claimed Marc Gardner “raped” him in prison. He later retracted the whole thing after investigation proved he hadn’t. The prison at the time said he retracted the claims after he was told a report would be published that called him “a manipulative pathological liar”. He was concerned about the effect this would have on his supporters. * Claims his mom and sister never visited him in prison (“maybe one or two times… but not often.. my sister only came twice and stopped coming after”). Prison records prove he’s lying and that his mother visited weekly, while his sister came fortnightly or once a month when she was busy. * He told Piers Morgan that the prison forced him to “eat with his hands”. “I had to learn to use a fork again”, a claim that is demonstrably bullshit. * Odd that an innocent man lies enough to be called a “manipulative pathological liar”. * Misskelley and Echols failed their polygraph tests (Echols’ results | Misskelley’s results). Not conclusive, but interesting. * It’s frequently claimed that Jodee Medford and the Softball Girls (the girls who heard Damien brag about the murders) have recanted their stories. They haven’t. It’s based on a misunderstanding of a declaration by Medford’s mother and ascribing her words to Jodee: http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/d_medford_declaration.html

* Damien is a liar. Straight up. He lies to his supporters to make his innocence seem more compelling and lies to make himself seem more of a martyr. A few examples of Damien’s LIES: * “I lived 15 miles away from West Memphis and the crime scene” (2010 interview, Larry King interview). He lived in a trailer park in West Memphis, less than two miles away from the crime scene. * “I never went to West Memphis… Hardly at all” (2010 interview). He was known for walking around West Memphis constantly, and testified in 1994: “I walk around frequently… there’s not much to do” * “I wasn’t familiar with Robin Hood Hills before the murders… it was a residential area, and I only went to West Memphis to go to Walmart and stuff” (2010). In 1994, in response to the question “how often do you go to Robin Hood Hills?” Damien responded “two, three times a week? Probably more”. * He literally agreed with the prosecutor on the stand that he was moving events around depending on what time he needed to cover. You see him cover for this in Paradise Lost by saying he was “Daydreaming

So where were Damien and co for four to five hours that happen to coincide with the time of the murders? Well we don’t know. Damien told Jennifer that Jason’s mom had driven them somewhere… which was a lie because she was at work til 11pm (source). It’s strange that he can’t come up with an alibi that holds up isn’t it? Surely if he’s innocent, he just needs to tell us where he was? So why doesn’t he? * Jessie Misskelley has no alibi either. I know, you’re about to say he was in a karate tournament, but he wasn’t. The so-called photos depict a different event a month prior, and the “witnesses” all gave conflicting testimony. This alibi only emerged after a previous alibi (he was at a party with 12 other people) fell apart (source) * And nor does Jason Baldwin, after an attempt to get his brother and a friend (Ken Watkins) to lie for him, he stopped trying to construct one; to the point that in 2008 his lawyer stood up in court and said he couldn’t find a reliable alibi witness for Jason. (source). It’s really weird that three totally innocent men all tried to fabricate alibis for the same period of time that just happens to correspond with a murder they’re suspected of. Really weird that. * Blue wax found on the bodies matched wax found in Damien’s room and a candle belonging to his girlfriend (Photo of candle taken during search) * The Knife – multiple people testified it was Damien’s knife, including his ex-girlfriend Deanna Holcomb (source). She said Damien’s knife stood out because it had a compass, and the knife manufacturer testified that the knife found was missing a compass

No substantial evidence? Excuse me. * Damien has never come up with an Alibi for where he was during the study murders. Well, actually he has, * per Damien: > “At the stime the police say the murders took place I was actually on the phone with three different people. The problem was, my attorneys never called them to the stand.” – Damien Echols * Really? Lets examine these three (actually four) other peoples testimony, shall we? Do they exonerate him like he suggests? In a word, no. They weren’t called because they exposed Damien’s alibi for the total lie it was.f * Holly George – Damien claimed he talked to Holly George on May 5th, 1993. Holly told police she didn’t talk to Damien that evening. She said she spoke with him much earlier in the afternoon, around 3:00pm or 4:00pm. (source) * Heather Cliett – Damien claimed he spoke with Heather Cliett on the evening of May 5th, 1993. Cliett said she’d been unable to reach Echols until 10:30pm. She also mentioned that Holly George told her that Echols had been “out walking around” on May 5th, 1993. (source) * Domini Teer – Damien’s girlfriend, Domini Teer, said she last saw Damien around 5:00-5:30pm on May 5th, 1993. She said she did not speak with him again until Damien called her around 10:00pm that night. (source) * Jennifer Bearden – The one Damien misses out because it’s most damaging. Bearden told police in a 9/10/93 statement that she called Jason’s house between 4:15pm and 5:30pm on May 5th, 1993. She says Jason answered the phone and she talked to Jason and Damien for about 20 minutes. Damien told her he and Jason were “going somewhere” and to call him back at 8:00pm. When Bearden called Damien’s house at 8:00pm his grandmother answered. Damien’s grandmother told Bearden that Damien “wasn’t there.” In her police statement, Bearden says she finally reached Damien around 9:20pm. (source)

Echols admitted on cross-examination in the penalty phase of the trial that he had an altercation with his father in which a knife was involved and the police were called. He admitted he was hospitalized that same day, and when his father came to the hospital, "I told him I would eat him alive." He admitted he tried "to claw the eyes out" of a student. Perhaps the most compelling testimony on this point came from the cross-examination of Dr. James Moneypenny, a psychologist who testified for Echols. Dr. Moneypenny admitted that Echols had "an all powerful God-like image of himself" and that his parents were concerned with his satanism or devil worship. Dr. Moneypenny admitted that Echols's medical records contained the following notations of statements by Echols: I want to go where the monsters go. Pretty much hate the human race. Relates that he feels people are in two classes, sheep and wolves. Wolves eat sheep. Echols explains that he obtains his powers by drinking blood of others. He typically drinks the blood of a sexual partner or a ruling partner. This is achieved by biting or cutting. It makes me feel like a god. Echols describes drinking blood as giving him more power and strength ... He has also agreed to continue to discuss his issues with power and control as related to his practice of rituals. I just put it all inside. Describes this as more than just anger like rage. Sometimes he does 'blow up.' Relates that when this happens, the only solution is to hurt someone. Echols reports being told in the hospital that he would be another Charles Manson or Ted Bundy. When questioned on his feelings he states, "I know I'm going to influence the world. People will remember me."

18) How much money have you (Echols) made off your books, your documentary, your artwork, your speaking engagements, your tattoo work, and other murder-related business ventures since your release in August 2011?  How much in donations would you estimate you have received over the years from WM3.org, Peter Jackson, Johnny Depp, and other benefactors?

(17) For many years you (Echols) accused step-father Mark Byers of the murders. More recently, you have pointed the finger at step-father Terry Hobbs.  You’ve even implied that Mr. Bojangles could be involved.  If you didn’t commit these murders, who did?

13 ) Was Joe Bartoush's account of you (Echols) killing a dog (partially corroborated by Heather Cliett, Blaine Hodge, and your large collection of animal skulls) true?  If it was not true, why would Jason Baldwin's own cousin (Joe Bartoush) offer this damaging information to police, especially with you and Jason in peril of going to prison for triple murder? ( 14 ) When you (Echols) said that, like Manson & Bundy, you would be remembered by the world, was this what you had in mind? ( 15 ) Do you (Echols) feel your parents were truthful when they told your doctors in September 1992 that they did not want you living in their home any more, for fear your would harm them & the children in the house?  If not, why would they offer that statement? ( 16 ) Why, in recent interviews, do you (Echols) categorize Exhibit 500 as a document written by one woman, and submitted by Jason's lawyers to attack you? Exhibit 500 is actually a collection of documents written by mental health professionals documenting your three stays in mental hospitals for suicidal/homicidal impulses in 1992.  It was compiled by your own defense team and submitted in the sentencing phase in an attempt to secure leniency for you. Why are you attacking Baldwin and his attorneys for a document your doctors wrote and YOU submitted to your jury? (17) For many years you (Echols) accused step-father Mark Byers of the murders. More recently, you have pointed the finger at step-father Terry Hobbs.  You’ve even implied that Mr. Bojangles could be involved.  If you didn’t commit these murders, who did?

( 9 ) Why did Jennifer Bearden report in 1993 that your grandma told her you (Echols) were "out" when she called at 8:00pm on May 5th? Why did Bearden tell police that you told her you were “out” somewhere with Jason Baldwin that night when she did finally reach you by phone around 9:30pm on May 5th? Why did Heather Cliett suggest to police you were with Jason that night, and why did she report that Holly George told her you were “out”that night walking around? Since these alibis with your “phone girls” have failed, where exactly were you between 6:30pm and 9:00pm on May 5th, 1993? ( 10 ) When you (Echols) spoke with the WMPD on May 10th, 1993 why did your account of May 5th differ sharply from the story your girlfriend, Domini, told?  You said she was dropped off at home before 3pm; her own account put her home at 7pm. ( 11 ) Why, at the trial, did you (Echols) smirk at the testimony of the “softball girls” and call them liars from the stand? Did you admit to perjury when you told reporter Erin Moriarty that you might have told the girls at the softball park you killed the boys, but you were just “joking.”   ( 12 ) What is the truth of the Mark Gardner rape allegations that you (Echols) have submitted and withdrawn at points?  If the rape allegations were false, why did you make them? If they were true, exactly how did Gardner “force” you to crawl through a removed cinder block so he could rape you?

( 4 ) Why have you (Echols) dismissed reports of your mental illness as the work of "3rd & 4th-hand rumors" when 1st-hand documentation from mental health professionals, peers, and law enforcement officers clearly demonstrate your mental illness in 1992-1993? ( 5 ) When you (Echols) personally reported to the Social Security Administration in 1992 that you were plagued with the following issues - "Homicidal, Suicidal, Manic Depression, Schizophrenia, Drug Abuse, Alcohol Abuse & Sociopathic" - how much of that self-assessment was legitimate?  If some of those assessments were not legitimate, why did you report them in an application for disability benefits? ( 6 ) Awaiting trial, why did you (Echols) write that your body was changing via Koolaid packs, transforming you into "the Christ?” ( 7 ) If you (Echols) were a "white Wiccan" at the time of your arrest, why did you write imagery of yourself as "Satan's artillery captain" storming Heaven? Why did your talk about overseeing Armageddon, with reminders to yourself about "choosing Disciples before Halloween?” ( 8 ) How do you (Echols) reconcile your contention that you were on the phone with four different girls when the crimes occurred (6:30pm-9:00pm), with the fact that 1993 statements offered by those girls do not cover your alibi for the hours from 5:00pm-9:20pm?