In episode 250, Kestrel welcomes Natalie Shehata, a stylist focused on sustainability, to the show. Natalie currently works as the Retail Trainer for The Social Outfit, a Sydney-based fashion label who provides employment and training to people from refugee and new migrant communities.
“We have these brands, and we have people kind of saying — ok, I need to tick this box and I need to do this and I need to make sure that I have women of color in our photo shoots and our editorial campaigns, and I need to make sure x, y and z. And that to me is why diversity is tokenistic, because it’s not happening from the roots, it’s not happening from the foundation, it’s not happening from a system that was built by BIPOC and for BIPOC.” -Natalie
In 2018, Natalie presented a speech at the Disposable Planet seminar for Eco Fashion Week Australia titled: “How the sustainable fashion space should focus on: representation, inclusivity and visibility.”
While this was written almost 3 years ago, it continues to resonate strongly today, and has proven to make a powerful influence on the fashion community in Australia, specifically.
One aspect Natalie highlights in this speech is why diversity can be very tokenistic. The following part of from that speech acknowledges some of the ideas we explore throughout this episode:
“The communities most affected by our sustainable industry decisions are Black and Brown communities, yet they are not afforded the right to take part in the decision making process. It is the White privileged, resourced and elite groups who dictate the climate of fashion – now and for the future. When we’re referring to the current climate of sustainable fashion and bringing the topic of visibility to media, we’re faced with the over saturation at the moment of words like diversity - now is the time to acknowledge how powerful language is in communicating messages. I think we need to consider the fact that the term diversity in its very nature can be quite tokenistic.”
Why *diversity* is tokenistic and retail training people from refugee & new migrant communities at The Social Outfit
Quotes & links from the conversation:
Tommie Magazine
The Social Outfit, social enterprise Natalie works with
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S01 Episode 43 | SOKO, VIRTUAL SUPPLY CHAINS + CONNECTIVE TECHNOLOGY
S01 Episode 42 | SUSTAINABILITY IN THE FASHION CURRICULUM
S01 Episode 41 | HODA KATEBI + FASHION ACTIVISM
S01 Episode 40 | MARCI ZAROFF + FARM TO CLOSET
S01 Episode 39 | YOUTUBE, COMPASSION FASHION + INFLUENCE
S01 Episode 38 | EXPEDITION 196, PEACE + SUSTAINABILITY VIA TRAVEL
S01 Episode 37 | PUSHING THE SUSTAINABLE FASHION CONVERSATION
S01 Episode 36 | SPIRIT OF 608, TECH + THE FUTURE OF FASHION
S01 Episode 35 | FASHIONKIND, LUXURY + SUSTAINABILITY
S01 Episode 34 | STELA 9 + CULTURAL PRESERVATION
S01 Episode 33 | REDRESS + WASTE LESS
S01 Episode 32 | CHRISTY DAWN + MAKING DEADSTOCK LOVELY
S01 Episode 31 | OLDERBROTHER, UNIVERSAL GARMENTS + THE PROCESS
S01 Episode 30 | SAMATA + RED CARPET GREEN DRESS
S01 Episode 29 | TRADLANDS + QUALITY OVER QUANTITY
S01 Episode 28 | PIÑATEX + PINEAPPLES AS A LEATHER ALTERNATIVE
S01 Episode 27 | STORIES, CRAFT + VALUES
S01 Episode 26 | KNITTING IS COOL AGAIN
S01 Episode 25 | MINDFULNESS FOR ENTREPRENEURS
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