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Harnessing Natural Methods for True Recovery from Disease With Dr Thomas Levy
2021-11-18
Medical professionals often have a one-track mind and act only by the book, without any independent thought. We trust doctors but often don't realise that we already have the cure in our hands. Our guest today shares that our bodies are more capable than we think. If it has the correct nutrients, the human body can simultaneously recover from deadly viruses and protect itself from them. We just need to make sure that we are supporting its innate abilities.
In this episode, Dr Thomas Levy discusses how to support our bodies' intrinsic ability to heal by using simple treatments, like vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide nebulisation. He also shares that clinical recovery is often different from true recovery. Studies suggest that 40% of the novel virus-positive patients retain the virus — even after they think they've recovered! Dr Thomas explains the reason behind lingering vaccine side effects and how to harness natural processes for true recovery from disease.
If you want to learn more about how to achieve true recovery from disease and protect yourself, then this episode is for you!
Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:
- Understand how supporting your body's natural abilities, supported by vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, lead to true recovery from diseases.
- Discover the concept of pathogen colonisation, where you may be clinically well but still harbor pathogens.
- Learn why vaccines have side effects and what they do in your body.
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- Episode 167: Curing the Incurable with Vitamin C with Dr Thomas Levy MD, JD
- Get Dr Thomas Levy’s books https://www.peakenergy.com/books.php and be sure to check out Rapid Virus Recovery
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- Canceling the Spike Protein - Striking Visual Evidence
- Hydrogen Peroxide Nebulization and Virus Resolution - Impressive Anecdotal Results
- Learn more about Dr Paul Marik's protocol for sepsis using vitamin C and steroids.
- Check out this study published on the International Society for Orthomolecular Medicine about comparing levels of ascorbic acid in plasma and white blood cells from vitamin C supplementation with hydrocortisone.
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Episode Highlights [02:22] Dr Thomas’ Latest Book, Rapid Virus Recovery
- Before the pandemic, Dr Thomas had been researching Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide nebulisation.
- He found that hydrogen peroxide is a natural product that the human body already produces in large amounts.
- The epithelial cells that line your lung airways produce hydrogen peroxide that acts as anti-pathogens.
- In addition, the human body converts up to 5% of the oxygen you inhale into hydrogen peroxide.
- Dr Thomas shares that people can achieve a true recovery from the virus so much faster when we optimise our body’s ability to protect and heal itself.
- The healthcare industry focuses on treatment methods that generate profit — hospitalisation, medication, therapy, and intubation.
- Even if you clinically get better from the virus, it does not mean that you have eliminated it from your body.
- 40% of novel virus positive patients become sick even after they recover from an acute episode.
- All diseases involve excess oxidation, which stimulates the growth of new pathogens and toxins in your gut and cells.
- Hydrogen peroxide can kill pathogens both inside and outside the body.
- Remember that many prescription drugs can be toxic when applied inappropriately and with the wrong dosage and concentration.
- When nebulising 3% hydrogen peroxide, you can raise your blood oxygen level by 3% in around 1 minute.
- Listen to the full episode to hear how a woman in Colombia treated twenty of twenty patients with advanced infection of the novel virus successfully in just five days!
- Don’t be afraid of the novel virus — you can address it using easily-accessible methods.
- Hydrogen peroxide nebulisation is not just for novel viruses — it can also help treat cancers. Dr Thomas shares how it can normalise the gut and cure tumours in the full episode.
- Cancers are caused by excess oxidative stress, which leads to chronic pathogen colonisation.
- When you give your body more oxygen and nutrients, you give it the chance to heal itself. Utilise hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, hyperbaric oxygen treatments, and even vitamin C!
- It's vital to remember to balance the effects of what you take — there are cases when you want pro-oxidant substances, like Vitamin C.
- Dr Thomas shares that taking large amounts of Vitamin C can help the hydrogen peroxide break down.
- This combination then leads to an oxidative effect that kills pathogens
- Vitamin C can also produce more peroxide from which cells can mobilise iron. This iron then further supports the way Vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide work together.
- Listen to the full episode to hear the in-depth explanation of how Vitamin C, hydrogen peroxide, and iron all work together.
- All pathogens, cancers, and infections accumulate iron. The more iron you have, the more it can fuel pathogens.
- However, iron key links can bring cancers and infections under control.
- For people with too much iron, also called hemochromatosis, you can manage and mobilise iron levels with vitamin C therapies.
- Remember that inflammation means high oxidation levels in certain areas, which causes a depletion of Vitamin C.
- Your body will fight against this inflammation using its antioxidants.
- Dr Thomas argues that the immune system is all about supplying antioxidants in the form of Vitamin C.
- If your cells, like macrophages, can't do their job due to a lack of Vitamin C, then you can help boost its cell absorption by combining a low dose of hydrocortisone with vitamin C.
- Dr Thomas shares that curing sepsis can be as easy as taking 12.5 to 25 grams of Vitamin C every six hours.
- When you have high cortisol levels due to sepsis, you don't need to use cortisone.
- You need Vitamin C to reduce the oxidised receptors and normalise your cortisol.
- Cortisone is beneficial for those who have had their adrenal glands removed and can no longer produce cortisol on their own.
- Many vaccines use spike proteins instead of an inactivated virus, hoping to create antibodies to protect against the virus.
- However, the spike protein can replicate on its own and, in many cases, be a toxin itself.
- Different side effects often depend on the spike protein’s binding site. For example, when it binds to the vascular endothelial, it can lead to blood clots.
- Remember that once a pathogen enters and colonises your body, it will linger unless you eliminate them all.
- You can treat viruses, vaccine side effects, and even fungal infections with vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide.
- It’s logical to think that having a lot of spike proteins in your body may deny the natural function of cells and their H2 receptors.
- Side effects are not just dependent on spike protein's binding site — it can also be people's area of susceptibility to increased oxidative stress.
- This pandemic can end faster when more people achieve true recovery using hydrogen peroxide nebulisation.
- When people are afraid, they listen to only one narrative.
- Take ownership of your health and figure out what’s best for you
7 Powerful Quotes
‘Here's something that just about killed my extremely healthy 50-year-old best friend, and when is it going to hit me? So I understand the fear. However, you should understand... you don't have to have that fear because we have the information and the techniques to deal with it across the board.’
‘The healthcare industry is not the slightest bit interested in spending millions of dollars on research on something that will generate them nothing. Quite the contrary to generating nothing, it will take money out of their pocket and take away prolonged expensive hospitalisations, and antibiotics and intubations, and you name it.’
‘Actually, it shouldn't come as a surprise because your body has a mechanism if you support that mechanism for dealing with killing any pathogen you encounter. I mean, if the body didn't have that, we'd all be dead and we would have never survived as a species’.
‘If you don't do the legwork, and study for yourself, and figure out what's best for you, but instead, just walk into the doctor's office and say, “Here's my warm body, do whatever you think is best”, it's only you that's going to suffer.’
‘If you have a physician that doesn't have the time or inclination to talk with you and discuss things that you want clarification on, don't walk — run out of that office!’
‘Unless you have a specific biofilm-dissolving pathogen-killing intervention, such as hydrogen peroxide, but it's not the only thing that will do that, you're going to keep that colonisation for life. And this is why people have bowel disorders for life.’
‘Not everybody has that ability to do that or their willingness to do that. But you have to take responsibility for yourself. Nobody else can take that away from you. You really do have to put in the hard yards.’
About Dr Thomas Levy
Dr Thomas Levy is a board-certified cardiologist and a bar-certified attorney. After practising adult cardiology for 15 years, he began to research the enormous toxicity associated with much dental work, as well as the pronounced ability of properly administered vitamin C to neutralise this toxicity. He has now written 11 books. Several of them address the wide-ranging benefits of Vitamin C and its capacity to neutralise toxins and resolve most infections, as well as its vital role in the effective treatment of heart disease and cancer. Others tackle the essential roles of dental toxicity and nutrition in disease and health.
Recently inducted into the Orthomolecular Medicine Hall of Fame, Dr Levy continues to research the impact of the orthomolecular application of vitamin C and antioxidants in general on chronic degenerative diseases. His ongoing research involves documenting that all diseases are different forms and degrees of focal scurvy arising from increased oxidative stress, especially intracellular. Furthermore, they all benefit from protocols that optimise the antioxidant levels in the body.
He regularly gives lectures on this information at medical conferences around the world. If you want to learn more from Dr Levy, you may contact him at televymd@yahoo.com or through his website.
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Transcript Of The Podcast
Welcome to Pushing the Limits, the show that helps you reach your full potential, with your host Lisa Tamati, brought to you by lisatamati.com.
Lisa Tamati: Hi, everyone! Welcome to Pushing the Limits this week. Today, I have a very, very special guest, Dr Thomas Levy. He is a cardiologist and a lawyer to boot. He's the author of... I don't know how many books now. I think he's up to 13 or 14 books. And he's just put out a book called Rapid Virus Recovery. He's an incredible man with an incredible knowledge base. And this is an interview really worth listening to if you are concerned at all about the current pandemic, or the current vaccines or any of these topics. It's a very important interview, and I do hope you enjoy listening to the show. Before we head over I'd love if you can give us a rating and review for the podcast, and help share it with your family and friends. And I'd love you to visit me over on lisatamati.com as well. If you need help with anything in your health journeys, in your run coaching, anything like that, please check out what we do. Hit the ‘Work with Us’ button and you’ll see all of our programs over there. I hope you enjoy this. I was very, very lucky to get an hour with Dr Thomas Levy. And this is going to be a life-changing interview for many people. It's going to help so, so many. So, make sure you do not miss this one. Right over to the show With Dr Thomas Levy.
Hey, everyone! Welcome back to Pushing the Limits. Today I have Dr Thomas Levy with me again, who was a guest on my show last year, where we talked about Curing the Incurable and vitamin C was the topic of the day. It's been one of the most popular episodes on my podcast. And today, I've had the privilege of having Dr Levy back on the show. Today, we're going to be talking about his new book, Rapid Virus Recovery, among other things. We're going to be talking to people about their health and how they can protect their health in this time of COVID. And in this time, we were all getting vaccinated and so on. And we're going to be diving deep into Dr Levy's knowledge. So, Dr Levy, thank you for taking the time today. It's very, very appreciated. Welcome back to the show.
Dr Thomas Levy: A pleasure. Happy you’re having me back.
Lisa: It's a real pleasure to have you! You have just put out a book called Rapid Virus Recovery. Can you.. Obviously, our world is in a state of mayhem and has been for the last year and a half, 2 years. However long it seems to be a very long time. We've got millions of people who have had the COVID virus. Millions of people struggling with long COVID. They call it Long COVID Syndrome. We've also got lots of people who've been vaccinated, and they're having some difficulties with the vaccine. Can you tell us a little bit what this book is about? And what your article was also about that was in the Orthomolecular magazine recently.
Dr Thomas: Well the book, Rapid Virus Recovery, I wrote at the beginning of this year, about February or March. I did it because I had been working with hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, the inhalation of a fine mist of hydrogen peroxide, for several years. For my old problems that I had was chronic sinuses, and colds, and flu. And it worked enormously well! That triggered me to do more research on it. Will do things to myself more quickly that I'll inflict them on other people. Okay, I know what risks I want to take and what I don't want to take. So, I was just going along - footloose and fancy-free.
And then when the pandemic hit, somewhere along the line, in reading literature on the vitamin C and the hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, I came across an article that showed that the cells lining the lung airways, the epithelial cells, actually a make-and-express hydrogen peroxide into the air.
Lisa: Oh, wow!
Dr Thomas: Okay, and I said, ‘My goodness’. And it was very obvious, at least obvious to me at that point in time, that the only reason hydrogen peroxide was being expressed into the air was to act as a natural anti-pathogen to any pathogens that you inhale with every breath that you took. And the more I researched on hydrogen peroxide, the more I saw that it was a completely natural product inside the body, produced in large amounts. Highly stable — not unstable, like many people think. It only becomes unstable when it's in a microenvironment where it needs to kill a pathogen. The amounts are enormous, up to 5% of the oxygen. In every breath that you take, the body converts into hydrogen peroxide inside the body. So, it's a huge amount. And when you stop and think about the simplicity, you have water, oxygen, hydrogen peroxide. Water (H2O), oxygen (O2) hydrogen peroxide (H202). I mean, they're all ‘kissing cousins’ as the expression goes. So, I saw then that there was a lot of literature with support for the positive effects that I've been getting myself for two years. Along with a lot more articles and research that I did, I decided to get the book out as quickly as possible, as my way, I hope, to end the pandemic. I firmly believe that the pandemic would be completely over if everybody knew about this. In two weeks, there wouldn't be a person left on the planet with COVID.
The reason for that also is because a hydrogen peroxide is completely cheap, available, non-toxic, whereas everything else has a doctor or hospital attached to it. We have a lot of other wonderful therapies for viruses like COVID, even bacteria, strep throat. But, they require a prescription, they require a facility. All of this stuff would require expense. Okay, all of this. This is also why would people say, ‘Well, I need more literature on this’. Well, I've got news for you! The healthcare industry is not the slightest bit interested in spending millions of dollars on research on something that will generate them nothing. Quite the contrary to generating nothing, it will take money out of their pocket and take away prolonged expensive hospitalisations, and antibiotics and intubations, and you name it. When hydrogen peroxide gets broken down, after it kills the pathogen, it leaves water and oxygen.
Lisa: So non-toxic?
Dr Thomas: Not only it is non-toxic, water and oxygen are the two most important things for healing a damaged tissue. So after you kill the pathogen, hydrating it with water. With oxygen gives you the ideal microenvironment for that previously infected damaged tissue to heal. So that's where we said. With that, the article I wrote cancelling the spike protein that goes off into a little different arena. But we're all now realizing that, as you mentioned at the top of this, there's a lot of people who, even after they overcome the acute episode of COVID they really stay sick almost indefinitely. Shorter breath, no energy, a variety of symptoms, headaches, you name it. A lot of bowel disorders. And that's something else to where we found in these chronic COVID patients. I think some 40% of the time they've isolated COVID in the stool. So, the COVID hasn't left the body at all. This is another wonderful reason for the nebulisation, okay?
Unless you take a specific measure - high dose vitamin C, hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, ozone, any of these things, true anti-viral measures. Unless you take that and go through a proper protocol, even if you clinically resolve or clinically get better, most of the time, you will not have completely eliminated COVID virus or COVID pathogen, whatever the heck it is, from your body.
Lisa: Right.
Dr Thomas: And this is something else that is covered in the Rapid Virus Recovery book is, whenever, you had a cold whenever you had the flu, whenever you had any upper respiratory infection, and then you took your soup and you took your aspirin and you got your bed rest and then you finally felt better - you have not gotten rid of the pathogen! You instead have converted the acute infection into something lining the mucous membranes of your nose, pharynx and throat called ‘chronic pathogen colonisation’, covered up by a biofilm that prevents any antibiotic from getting rid of it. It's only something like hydrogen peroxide and there are a few other agents that dissolves the biofilm and then kills the pathogens underneath. And why is that important? Well, even though you might feel completely normal up here 24/7, as the young people like to say, you're swallowing pathogens and you're swallowing toxins that are being produced by this chronic presence. That's significant because all disease is excess oxidation. The only damage a toxin does is causes oxidation. So you're getting excess oxidation, you're growing new bugs and the microbiome in your gut. You're causing leaky gut syndrome by poisoning the connections between the intestinal cells allowing pathogens and toxins to get into. All of that is very effectively addressed by hydrogen peroxide nebulisation. Go ahead.
Lisa: So, this is something that people have probably not even heard. I heard this first time when we did the interview last year on intravenous vitamin C after my dad passed, and I was doing a series on intravenous vitamin C. You told me about the nebulisation. Then, I went and got myself one. It's a little device people, you can just Google nebulisation and nebulisers. You get 3% hydrogen peroxide. Food grade is fine, isn't it? Dr Levy?
Dr Thomas: Sure.
Lisa: Yep. Put a little bit of that, I think it's 1 to 3 CCs, and start breathing that. You have a protocol in your book. If you've got COVID, how many times a day, three times a day I think, between 15 to 30 minutes. People's brain goes to hydrogen peroxide. Isn't that a disinfectant? Isn't that what we use to bleach things? Isn't that what we use on surface as a need for... Is this not a caustic and dangerous thing to be putting on the inside of our body? Can you address that concern?
Dr Thomas: Yeah, it kills pathogens inside the body as well as outside the body. But the point is, it's everything, except maybe vitamin C, ironically, is toxic applied inappropriately, if at the wrong dosage, it at the wrong concentration. Everything. Certainly, there's no prescription drug available that you can't kill yourself with, or even cause moderate damage, okay? Just because hydrogen peroxide is perfectly capable of sterilizing your kitchen counter, doesn't mean you can't use it inside your body, when it turns out as one of the most natural substances that your body makes in very large amounts. As a matter of fact, when you start nebulising 3% hydrogen peroxide, in a minute or two, you've raised your blood oxygen level by about 3%. So, it's almost like having a poor man version of nasal cannula, oxygen.
The other thing I'd like to say too, is, after I got all of this going, and the book was circulating, I had the opportunity to go to Colombia, where I have some family members in where I had left a nebuliser with one of my wife's friends because she had had a cold a couple years earlier, okay? Well, she got such a dramatic response from that she kind of begged me to keep the nebuliser. So, I said, ‘Fine. Here's the nebulizer. Here's the peroxide’. This all happened about 3 - 4 months before the pandemic hit. Well, she just being the big-hearted person that she was, started after the pandemic hit because I said, ‘Cold or any virus’, she started offering her nebuliser to people in the community. Over the course of time treated 20 patients with advanced COVID. By advanced I mean, many of them were test positive, but nearly all of them already had severe shortness of breath. If you've got COVID, and you're short of breath, if you don't do something dramatic, you pretty close to death, okay? Now, she did something that I would never have been able to do but would have liked to be able to do, which is see how good hydrogen peroxide is by itself. I wouldn't be able to do to that because it'd be unethical. I'd have to give somebody vitamin C and everything I can, you know? Well, in the case of Colombia, it wasn't available. All they had was the peroxide nebulisation. This is written up in another one of the Orthomolecular articles. She cured 20 of 20 patients in 5 days, completely and totally, solely with hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, given solely by itself.
So, that was a pretty profound feedback. I've not hesitated to recommend this to everybody. And like I said, certainly I'm not recommending it as a monotherapy, even though it proved itself as a monotherapy. If you're sick, and you have vitamin C and vitamin D, and zinc, and quercetin, and magnesium chloride, I mean, you take them all! No doubt about it. If you have a doctor willing to prescribe you ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, you damn well take it, okay? But it was a very dramatic proof to me as to how powerful the vitamin C was as a standalone monotherapy.
Lisa: Yeah. This is so interesting to me because when I had a discussion with my local doctors and things, and they said, ‘But aren't you scared of vitamin C? And I'm sorry- of COVID’. And I'm like, ‘Hell no, I'm not scared of it. I am more scared of the other things like the vaccine’, because it is for me, in my mind. Still experimental, still going to change your perhaps, even your germline and your genetics and your fertility and things like that, which is all going to be borne out in the next few years. We'll see.
Dr Thomas: Oh, the thing about this, too, that people need to realise - this is not pro-vaccine, this is anti-vaccine. This is a question I pose to anybody listening to this. Why would you take anything that does have no side effects? You could argue how often, or you could argue how severe, but has no side effects, and has caused myocarditis that has killed some people. So something that, however infrequently, is potentially fatal, or debilitating. Why would you take that when you have complete and total ability to cure the thing it's trying to protect you from?
Lisa: Yeah, exactly.
Dr Thomas: So, rationalize it any way you want. Obviously, most people have not been able to get the information that we're talking about right now, which is why we want to get the word out. And that word is, ‘Stop being afraid!’ COVID is easily cured. Cured. I use that word because I mean it. Cured. Not made better. Cured! Doggone, it eliminated. If you choose not to believe this, I mean, that's on you whoever's listening. I have no dog in the hunt, as they say. I mean…
Lisa: The financial note?
Dr Thomas: The book I'm giving away for free..
Lisa: Giving it away..
Dr Thomas: I mean, we’ve had 131,000 downloads, now around the world. I'd like to end up that being several million before it's all done. But, word is getting around. I get emails nonstop every day, thanking me for... Well, if not saving their lives, allowing them to resolve their COVID more quickly. And I've also had some other things too, you know. Let me just say this, the little sidebar, okay? And I certainly didn't advertise it this way, but a physician, a colleague of mine, who knew about the hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, had a advanced cancer patient. Big mas on the lung, non-small cell squamous carcinoma by biopsy, big lump, feeling pretty bad and having a lot of diarrhea. Well, he started among the hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, because I talked about how it normalises the gut. Well, the diarrhea disappeared fairly quickly. And for that alone, the patient was ecstatic. And then, he wrote me back two months later, as the guy continued on the regimen that we talked about, and said they can't find the tumour anymore.
Lisa: Holy heck cracky! I need to know that because, dealing with mum…
Dr Thomas: Okay! Now, you’ve got to remember! All cancers are caused by excess oxidative stress with a few other cofactors at the site, where they develop. And most of the time, that excess oxidative stress is due to pathogen, just due to a chronic pathogen colonisation. Similarly to what we’re talking about. So, you knock out the pathogens completely. You get oxygen in there. It is amazing what the body could do when you give it a chance to heal itself.
Lisa: Wow! Because when I was studying your, reading your work and studying, I know a lot about hyperbaric, obviously. I know a lot about intravenous vitamin C, obviously. In the hydrogen peroxide, I've only been doing a deeper dive into that since your show your work. But these are all part of the oxidative medicine family. And then, that also includes ozone therapy, as well as UVBI ultraviolet bladder radiation. In my mind as just as a lay researcher. Everything that is anti-viral is also anti-cancer. That's how I'm sort of starting to see. Is it a accurate assessment of the, you know? Is that why...
Dr Thomas: Absolutely! I mean, it's not just viruses, but definitely viruses are the culprit many times. But a chronic infection of any kind can secondarily the damage the tissue and keep it in a acidotic state — acid state, and this can evolve then, cancer. Okay, no doubt about this. So, it's very real observation. You're talking about the bio-oxidative therapies and vitamin C, actually, along with hydrogen peroxide and ultraviolet blood irradiation and all the variety of ozone therapies, and hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Incidentally, this patient that resolved, at least all apparent evidence of the cancer after two months of the nebulisation, was also getting hyperbaric oxygen treatments as well. He had been getting them even before he started the peroxide nebulisation.
So, it didn't appear that the hyperbaric as a standalone therapy was what's going to get the job done. But once you're able to get something down into the lungs, and start resolving it... Remember all diseases, cancers too. All disease requires stopping new oxidation and repairing old oxidation. That's it! You’ve got to stop the new oxidation, and you have to repair the old oxidation. If you continue to have pathogens in the lungs, proliferating, even if you're doing a highly effective therapy, you're pushing pulling. You're going one step forward, two steps back. So, my mentor, Dr Huggins told me some 25 - 30 years ago, we were talking about a similar subject. He said, ‘Tom?’ I said, ‘Yes, sir? He said, ‘You realize, of course, you can't dry off while you're still in the shower.’
Lisa: Good analogy.
Dr Thomas: Think about it! But, sometimes when you have 10 people towel you off at the same time, you can feel better even though you're continuing with the shower. So, I'm not telling somebody who doesn't want to do all the things that I recommend not to take supplements because they definitely help it. I mean, to the degree that you repair old oxidation, you will get better. You just won't get the outcome that you're looking for until you stop the new oxidation. That's another story we could talk about some time. But that all comes from the mouth.
Lisa: Yes. And Dr Huggins was an expert dentist back in the day, wasn't he? Who you saw some miracles happen in his clinic and actually changed from being a cardiologist and going in this direction that you're now doing, which was a fascinating story in itself.
Dr Thomas: I'd call him the world's first and most significant biological dentist.
Lisa: Yeah! And I wish they were on every street corner because I'm sure I've got some stuff going on. But to get, again… I think you and I… Me in the last six years, with the journeys that I've been through with my family's health, have come to realize that, if it doesn't make money, it's not going to be offered. Everything that was about 20 years behind the current research in clinical actual practice on the ground, it's often 20 years behind — stroke rehabilitation, cancer stuff. When I go to the oncologist with mom, or the haematologist, in your case, and I say, ‘Do you know anything about the metabolic approach to cancer?’ And they just roll their eyes at me. And I'm like... This is like...
Dr Thomas: My take has been most medical doctors... Well, DOs as well, doctors of osteopathy, really, symbolically consider getting their medical degree as their certificate for allowing them to never think again. Here I am, I've arrived! Whatever this patient has, there's a protocol. Well, heck! Why are you even there, then? Bring the patient in, have him fill out the forms, put it in the computer, let the computer do the rest of the work because the computer is going to miss less than you will on a variety of laboratory findings and X-ray findings, and everything else. So, don't even slow the patient down if you've got nothing to offer to your patient, other than plugging them into a protocol from the Washington manual of medicine. Why even pretend to be a doctor?
Lisa: And there’s a standard of care, ‘Don't step outside the box’, ‘Don't think!’ Is very much like you… There are some great doctors, and I get to work with a lot of great doctors. They're people that think outside the square and are up on the latest stuff in, who actually like our mutual friend Dr Ron Hunninghake who we mentioned on the last podcast. Wonderful doctor! Actually key is, actually doing the work. I know what I'm saying sounds pretty... And I have some wonderful, you know, local GPs that I work with who are fantastic! I've seen this, I've lost family members. I lost my dad last year. So, I'm pretty angry at the way the system is going because I know that things could have been done. That's not to say we don't have brilliant surgeons. Like we just had a brilliant surgeon take out a brain tumour. They are brilliant at that stuff. Absolutely!
When it comes to chronic disease, you've got to understand that big pharma is behind a lot of this sort of stuff, and they don't want you to get well. You better understand that and go, ‘Okay, what can we do?’ And so coming back to the hydrogen peroxide and the oxidative medicine therapies, what is it that actually helps in attacking COVID? So, the hydrogen peroxide is actually killing the pathogen, but it's also a pro-oxidant. This is where a lot of people get confused. The same with vitamin C, is a pro-oxidant at higher levels when given intravenously. Why is being a pro-oxidant a good thing in certain cases, if oxidative stress is a bad thing?
Dr Thomas: First of all, vitamin C can have a pro-oxidant effect. At certain doses of certain microenvironments is always an antioxidant. It's always electron donor. Vitamin C does not have the chemical ability to take electrons to oxidize. They can only donate electrons. When you put it in conjunction with hydrogen peroxide... and I find this very fascinating. I'll try to express it clearly because it explains well. For example, you put hydrogen peroxide… I have a little video on this. It’s fascinating. But hydrogen peroxide and vitamin C together, test tube, nothing happens. Then, you add a little iron, and it just blows up, okay?
Lisa: The Fenton Reaction.
Dr Thomas: Yeah, the Fenton reaction. The reason why vitamin C works so well with hydrogen peroxide is because the Fenton reaction is killing the pathogen. It's producing something called hydroxyl radical, highly pro-oxidant just destroys anything there. Now, in order to do a job completely, a reaction needs to continue to be fed new reagents. You just can't have a small amount that it does it, it burns yourself off and you haven't done the job. So, you need to have a way where it can continue to completion. That happens with pathogens. Peroxide is naturally present inside the cell. When you take large doses of vitamin C, they go into the cell. The vitamin C donates an electron to Fe+3, makes it Fe+2. By the intermediary of this iron, it takes the electron from vitamin C and donates it to hydrogen peroxide. When it does that, hydrogen peroxide breaks down into water in this hydroxyl radical, causing the enormous oxidative effect that kills pathogens. When you keep on giving the large amounts of vitamin C, you do a couple other things. One is the presence of the vitamin C causes a very high production of hydrogen peroxide outside the cell, which can then diffuse into the cell. So, the vitamin C produces more peroxide. Once the peroxide comes into the cell, it mobilizes iron from its storage site in ferritin so that you have more of the iron in the cytoplasm to work with the vitamin C and the peroxide. Just by continuing to give large amounts of vitamin C, you not only caused the reaction to go, but you supply more hydrogen peroxide, indirectly supply more iron, so that it can continue until the job is completely done. Just incredibly, incredibly elegant.
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A couple of questions there. My brains just firing on different things here. I've been starting ferroptosis in relation to trying to kill cancer cells. That is reliant on iron and it's also lipid peroxidation. Is that part of this?
Dr Thomas: Well, the important thing to remember about iron in cancer and infections. All pathogens accumulate iron. The more iron you put into the body, the more you fuel the infection. Same thing with cancer. Cancer cells accumulate iron, and the more you put iron into the body, and the cancer cell accumulates more iron, the more malignant and metastatic it becomes. And they've also show that agents, which chelate iron, bring cancers under control and bring infections under control. In fact, some of the most important antibiotics that we know of, some of them are the, I think the tetracyclines, for example, or iron chelates.
Lisa: Oh, is doxycycline one of those?
Dr Thomas: Yes, yes!
Lisa: I've got a couple of clients that I'm working with who have haemochromatosis, which is basically too much iron in the body. Is it dangerous for them in this particular case to have intravenous vitamin C?
Dr Thomas: They have reports in the literature of people having problems with that. By and large, no. But if you have haemochromatosis, you and your doctor need to be aware. If you start taking an IV, and you don't feel well, you stop the IV. For the most part, and it's funny that it would be this way because it implies that one mechanism works in one person, and another mechanism must apply in another person. But bottom line is, many people do manage to mobilise and get rid of iron with vitamin C therapies, whereas there are an occasional patient that feels a little worse when they get it. So, like anything else, a clinical medicine has to be modified to the patient. So, this is not just like a strict ‘yes or no’, ‘good or bad’ on a particular dosage.
Lisa: To start on a lower dosage to someone.
Dr Thomas: Yes, exactly.
Lisa: I'm thinking one person in particular that I'm working. He's been having a massive adverse reaction to the vaccines who also has haemochromatosis. So ,a bit of a double whammy there going on. Looking at the intravenous vitamin C and trying to decide whether that's a good, you know, part of the protocol for the…
Dr Thomas: You know I mentioned this earlier, before we started recording. For patients who can find an integrative physician who's open to the idea, that's a big introduction. But combining low-dose hydrocortisone with your vitamin C, massively puts more vitamin C inside the cell, okay. So, there's a lot of reasons for that. I've actually… Dr Hunninghake, Dr Mikirova and I did a study about three years ago. And it showed very clearly that when you're giving patients vitamin C - regular vitamin C, liposomal capsulated vitamin C, and then add hydrocortisone to the mixture, the amount that goes inside the cells is massively increased.
Lisa: Wow, that's like Dr Marik’s study. Didn't he do with an invocation in relation to sepsis and... hydroxycortisone with vitamin C.
Dr Thomas: It's not.. I don't know that it's actually recognized at all. I was just saying ‘well-recognized’. Looking at models of inflammation. Inflammation really is just a synonym for an area with a lot of oxidation, usually pathogen related. Because of that, all the vitamin C is gone. You've used up all the vitamin C. For all intents and purposes, to keep this clear, inflammation... Focal inflammation is the same thing as focal scurvy, they both occur at the same time. Now, and here's where we bring this into play. Inflammation, focal scurvy triggers an acute immune-inflammatory reaction, acute immune system reaction to quell the inflammation. Well, what does quelling inflammation means? It means you're bringing in antioxidant impact to cool off the pro-oxidant impact. So what's the first cell that arrives there? It's the monocyte or the macrophage, which has 80 fold or 8,000% more vitamin C than the surrounding area.
Lisa: And exactly, yeah.
Dr Thomas: So, what you're doing, it's my contention. Now, those are all facts. Now, I'm going to tell you what my speculation is. My speculation is, the primary function of the immune system is to supply antioxidant capacity, usually in the form of vitamin C where it's most acutely depleted. That's it! Then, when you add to the formula, we talk about the stress, the fight or flight reaction where your adrenals secrete cortisol. Well, that occurs in the setting. The stress really means acute oxidative stress. So, what do you do? You're secreting more cortisol to take the vitamin C that's available and push it inside the cells.
Lisa: And that decreases inflammation every time. That's why if I go and have a ice-cold shower, or jumpers and cold water for 10 minutes, I will have more adrenaline in my system, which will actually be an anti-inflammatory. That's my natural go-to — anti-inflammatory rather than drugs. This is a well-known phenomenon than that. So, hydrocortisone would be more beneficial at getting in. Because the macrophages, if they run out of vitamin C, then they can't do their job, can they?
Dr Thomas: No, really not. I guess that the interpretation of that would be’ your immune system is gone’. If you have a macrophage with little or no vitamin C in it, you've got no immune system.
Lisa: Yeah. And so like, last year, fighting for my dad's life, and he, you know, having sepsis, and this mess of operation, his body would have just been needing vitamin C like no tomorrow, because he would have just sucked it up and used his own reserves very, very quickly.
Dr Thomas: You know what? In regard to Dr Marik, I appreciate that Dr Marik brought to the public awareness, the effectiveness of his little formula and sepsis. However, I think people need to understand that the resolution of sepsis would be close to 100% at just about any stage, unless it's really advanced, and you're having organ system shut down. But short of that, forget the rest of it, and just give 12 and a half to 25 grams of vitamin C every 6 hours, you get 50 to 100 grams a day. And that's it! There's no need for all this other. And the other thing too is in sepsis, you have a naturally high circulating level of cortisol. So, there's no point in giving more cortisone as part of the protocol. You just need to give the vitamin C because the cortisol needs... Because you get the high cortisol level because sepsis causes oxidation. The oxidation goes inside the cell. It oxidises the cortisol receptors. When the cortisol receptors get oxidised, the cortisol will bind it and the body responds by trying to make more and more and more cortisol, which is never going to work. As long as the receptors oxidise, then you bring the vitamin C in, reduce the oxidised receptors, cortisol and the rest of the cell starts to work, and everything results.
Lisa: Right. But in the case of COVID, taking a little bit of hydrocortisone along with your intravenous vitamin C might be a good thing
Dr Thomas: I would say absolutely. Absolutely. We're talking very small doses. That’s the other thing too is really, the drug companies have managed to make the medical system and doctors, and the public just psychotically afraid of steroids and cortisol, okay? Well, a milligram... For example, prednisone is like 5 times more potent than hydrocortisone, which basically means if you're going to take 10 milligrams of hydrocortisone, and instead, you take 10 milligrams of prednisone just like you took 60 milligrams of hydrocortisone. You change the dosage, you change everything, okay? Now, I can go into the reasons why it's so bad for you, but that's unimportant except to say that, in a patient who had hyperadrenalism and had the adrenal glands removed, no longer making cortisol, that person needs 35 to 40 milligrams of hydrocortisone to stay healthy and exist, okay?
So, taking 5 or 10 or 15 grams of cortisol from time to time is good for you, okay? And not only is it good for you — just like the thyroid gland, just like our sex glands, the ovaries, the testes, everything burns out, including the adrenals. So, just like nearly everybody is slightly hypothyroid, if you do sophisticated enough testing, I guarantee everybody has hypoadrenal as well. And the body just loves it when you give it a little extra cortisol. Cortisol, not cortisone. Cortisol! Cortisol is the name of it while it's made in the body. Hydrocortisone is the name of it when it's applied as a medication.
Lisa: Right, it's no joke.
Dr Thomas: Obviously, for anybody listening, they do need a sympathetic and understanding integrative alternative physician because you can't get the hydrocortisone without a prescription.
Lisa: Yes, but that would be in this on the FLCCC — the protocols there for COVID.
Dr Thomas: But that was intravenous. There was all part of an intravenous protocol, presumably in the intensive care unit.
Lisa: Right? Okay. So in their case, in UK. If we step back a little bit, a lot of people, and I'm dealing with some of them in what I do, and in my friends’ circle, I've seen a lot of adverse reactions to the vaccine. I know that a lot of people won't believe that and so on and so forth. But if somebody is struggling with an adverse reaction to any of the vaccines, what can they do to support their body getting back to health? So, these people have not had COVID, but have had the vaccine. What can people do to get back to health again? Because I'm seeing people who are not well. Myocarditis, shortness of breath, brain fog, tremors, even strokes, aneurisms, heart attacks, all of these types of things. What can people do? Is there anything they can do?
Dr Thomas: They have something called ‘the spike protein’. Now, most people have seen the little cartoon pictures of COVID. It's a little ball surrounded by spikes, kind of like a round baby porcupine if you will. Well, the little spikes are called the ‘spike protein’, and they facilitate the entrance of the virus into the cell that's getting infected. They penetrate, some enzymes are released part of the cell wall was dissolved and the whole virus goes in, starts replicating. Well, just oversimplify... Not oversimplify, but to simplify, most, if not all of these new vaccines, have not inactivated virus, they have just the spike protein. They're giving just the spike protein with the idea presumably that in making an antibody against a spike protein, that'll give you an antibody against the entire virus. Well, as it turns out, and there's unfortunately for anybody who thinks is wonderful, there's a lot of evidence that you just don't get this one dose of spike protein, and have an immune reaction, and then have your circulating antibodies, and everything's finally good. Instead, it appears that even though it's not the entire virus, the spike protein in getting inside the cell can promote its own replication. There are a lot of other studies that show the spike protein is a toxin by itself. If you don't have a self-limited amount of spike protein to induce the antibody response, but instead have... And you know, what do people always get for a few days? Little fever, a little soreness? Well, that's not reacting to a nutrient, that's reacting to a toxin. So, you're getting a response to the toxicity. You just don't want to have a situation where the toxin reproduces and replicates itself. I mean, how diabolical and awful would it be to place the poison that once it gets inside your body, it continues generating new?
Now, everybody seems to have a different type of response. But most of the responses appear to be due to excess and ongoing spike protein presence in different tissues. They have the little binding sites, they have the spike protein, will maybe bind to the vascular endothelial, resulting in increased blood clotting to the heart cells, causing myocarditis to a number of other areas. And all of this these appears to be effectively treated with initially very high dose vitamin C, preferably intravenously, but also a good steady high dose oral, along with hydrogen peroxide nebulisation to completely eliminate any residual virus because not only in the vaccinated patients but certainly in some of the chronic COVID patients, long haul patients they call them. Even after they're over the acute infection — no fever, no this out of the other, they're clearly not well! They're very short of breath, they have no energy. They just feel like a dishrag that's been wrung out. Many of these patients, they've been able to identify persistent COVID in the stool. So, they’ve never gotten rid of the COVID virus.
Lisa: It’s colonised again.
Dr Thomas: And this is why the colonisation concept is so important. Whether you're dealing with COVID, or whether you're just dealing with a cold that you had a month ago. Unless you have a specific biofilm-dissolving pathogen-killing intervention, such as hydrogen peroxide, but it's not the only thing that will do that, you're going to keep that colonisation for life. And this is why people have bowel disorders for life. People, when they get irritable bowel syndrome, they don't just get over it in a month or a year or two. Once they get it, they got it. Once they get leaky gut, they got it. Once they get gluten sensitivity because of the leaky gut, they got it. If you stop swallowing the pathogens of the toxins, it’s incredible how quickly the gut can heal.
Lisa: Wow. So, this is not just for COVID. Now, we're talking about health for anybody. And I know a lot of the cancers. Like in mom's case, she's got the Epstein-Barr virus. She's had that, and that's what's caused a lymphoma currently. And I wasn't aware of the connection between cancers and viruses. I've had shingles this year. You know, we're all dealing with past viral infections that are hanging around and keep coming back. The shingles has probably been in my body for, I don't know, 30 - 40 years, and then it's popped out one day. So, it's in there doing its dirty work. And so this might be a way of getting rid of those colonisations of viral particles, especially if they're in the digestive tract. So, having this nebuliser seems to me to be an absolute must.
Dr Thomas: I've had anecdotal feedback, obviously, because I'm not doing a study from patients who have written me. Within hydrogen peroxide nebulisation alone, they've gotten rid of chronic fungal infections, black mould infections, these sort of things as well, and which is something that really... And this was a family the whole family was affected. They had to move out of their house. Multiple hospitalisations and this lady just wrote me the most enthusiastic letter you could imagine saying, ‘My God, we're all healed from our black mould illness. I can't believe it. Thank you so much!’ So, it applies to any pathogen. I mean, yes, we're talking about viruses here. But bacteria, protozoa, fungi, you name it. I suspect even prions, okay, those as well.
Lisa: Wow! So, hydrogen peroxide. And it's cheap, it's easy to access, even if you're in the middle of, I don't know, some crazy—
Dr Thomas: It’s designed by nature. Actually, it shouldn't come as a surprise because your body has a mechanism if you support that mechanism for dealing with killing any pathogen you encounter. I mean, if the body didn't have that, we'd all be dead and we would have never survived as a species. But that's the mechanism designed by nature, I like to call, especially the interaction between the vitamin C and hydrogen peroxide.
Lisa: So, can I just ask you on the whole oxidative medicine strategies? So, we were talking about ozone, ultraviolet bladder radiation, hydrogen peroxide nebulisation, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, IV, vitamin C. And they doing all similar but different things in the body, and are they supportive to each other? What are they actually doing in the microenvironment there? What do they actually, do they all do the same thing? More oxygen in the body?
Dr Thomas: Not having done well in biochemistry, that’s when I was in med school. A lot of it... My take... So, this is my take on it. you started filling the blackboard with formulas, I just lose it. But it does appear to me that they all have the final common denominator of a Fenton-like reaction.
Lisa: Not reaction. A more oxygen being delivered. This hydrogen peroxide is an oxygen storage system of sorts, isn't it too?
Dr Thomas: Absolutely, absolutely. That's exactly... I mean, think about it. It's a hydrogen storage system that after it kills the pathogen, it releases oxygen. I mean, how incredibly elegant and wonderful is that?
Lisa: Yeah. So, that's a pretty simple thing. Can I ask you too about the H2 receptor? Because everyone knows that the spike protein, whether it's the COVID, or the vaccine docks onto the H2 receptor, and that's how it enters into the cell. If you have had the vaccine, and it's replicating for, goodness knows how long it's actually replicating - I don't think we know the answer to that one, is that blocking the function of the H2 receptor? And what does the H2 receptor actually do in the body? And is that of concern as well?
Dr Thomas: Well, the H2 receptor is a receptor that's present on a wide variety of cells. And it's my take that binding the receptor activates the function itself. So yes, I mean, it's pretty logical that if you have a lot of spike protein, binding those sites, you're being denied the natural function of whatever that group of cells is, okay? And again, you can give somebody a given toxin. Give 100 people a certain type of toxin, and you'll have 12 different syndromes. So, everybody has their own weak spots, their own proclivities, their own genetic susceptibilities. This is why in my take is that X amount of spike protein is going to be myocarditis of one person, blood clots and thrombosis in another person, brain fog, stroke - you name it, in another person. It all has to do with the areas of their body that are most susceptible to increase oxidative stress.
Lisa: That makes a whole lot of sense. And the H2 receptor itself, it's the angiotensin...
Dr Thomas: Angiotensin-converting enzyme.
Lisa: Yeah, what is that?
Dr Thomas: Angiotensin is a strong vasopressor causing the muscle cells and vessels to contract. Because of that, when you have H2 blockers, that's a whole category of antihypertensive blood pressure controlling g
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