207: The future of society, with Michael Dowd

Is society going to suffer a collapse from unsustainability worse than the Great Depression sometime in the not-too-distant future? Both Bart and his guest for this episode, self-described ‘apocaloptimist' Michael Dowd, think so.
Michael is an author and speaker who spends a lot of time thinking about the future, and although he's a Reverend from the Christian tradition, his website says, "Reality is my God. Evidence is my scripture. Big History is my creation story. Ecology is my theology. Integrity is my salvation. Ensuring a healthy future is my mission."
So, what's the best way to think about the future of humanity? Listen to the episode for a wide-ranging chat on that. Michael's website is at michaeldowd.org.