Interview: Episode opens with an apology, but then hears from Andrew Crawford who prefers 'cycle' to change

Andrew Crawford (pictured) farmed near Toolamba in northern Victoria and for a period was a councillor on the now-defunct Tatura-based Rodney Shire Council. Andrew is a keen member of the Shepparton-based Goulburn Valley University of the Third Age and was among the few people who volunteered to be interviewed by Climate Conversations. This episode began with an apology to Andrew as he had handed over a recent story he had found in Melbourne's Herald Sun supporting his view that we are not experiencing climate change, but rather just another of the many cycles the Earth has gone through. Music for this podcast comes from "Music for a Warming World" and Climate Conversations is associated with the "Climactic Collective". Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/climateconversations