Ketubot 11 - July 17, 18 Tamuz

This week's learning is sponsored by the Sarna Family in the zechut of a refuah shleima u'mehirah for Maayan Liba bat Bryna Mindi.

The Mishna states that a convert, one taken captive, a maidservant who was converted/freed under the age of three has the presumptive status of a virgin and therefore has a ketuba of 200 zuz. Rav Huna states that a convert can be converted with the consent of the court as one can act on behalf of another if it is in the person's best interest and converting is in the best interest of the minor. Why? Can our Mishna be used as proof for Rav Huna? According to Rav Yosef, the convert can decide when they become of age that they no longer want to be Jewish. Rava and Abaye each bring sources that would seem to go against this. How are the difficulties resolved? Why did each not bring the source that the other brought? If an adult male had relations with a minor or the reverse, she also receives a ketuba of 200 zuz. Regarding a woman who tore her hymen from an accident (mukat etz), there is a debate between Rabbi Meir and the rabbis - does she get a ketuba of 100 or 200 zuz. If she was married but never had relations, she only receives a ketuba of 100 zuz and if the husband finds that she was not a virgin, he cannot claim that he was misled. A convert, one taken captive, a maidservant who was converted/freed over the age of three is assumed not to be a virgin and her ketuba is 100 zuz. Rav and Shmuel disagreed regarding a minor male who had relations with an adult woman - is she considered a non-virgin or a mukat etz. How does this work with our Mishna that seemed to say the debate was only regarding the mukat etz, but not this case? Rava rereads the Mishna to resolve the issue. Do the rabbis and Rabbi Meir disagree only in a case where he knew she was a mukat etz but in a case where he didn't know before the wedding, she doesn't receive her ketuba at all? Rami bar Hama suggests this but is rejected by a Mishna. Rava says that Rabbi Meir doesn't distinguish between whether he knew or not and either way she gets 200 zuz. But the rabbis distinguish and give her 100 if she told him before and nothing if she misled him. However, Rava changed his mind and holds that either way, the rabbis hold she gets 100 zuz. The Gemara brings a braita and a discussion about that braita and Rava's rereading of it to prove that he changed his mind.