In season 2 we explored why we’re scared of ambitious women, and talked to one of our co-producers Sam, and heard from a teacher about the roots of this problem. It was an episode which really resonated with so many women who listen to this show and a dilemma we just had to revisit.
Mark Pagan has talked about his mixed attitudes to dating ambitious women on his own podcast Other Men Need Help. Mark finds ambitious women attractive but is also threatened by them, this being a dynamic which isn’t all that rare, and one we delve into more with him, trying to figure out the personal and wider social reasons behind this paradox.
**Guest:** [Mark Pagan](https://twitter.com/themarkpagan), host of the podcast [Other Men Need Help](http://othermenneedhelp.com/)
**Host and producer:** [Nas](https://twitter.com/NTavakoliFar) aka Nastaran Tavakoli-Far
**Co-host:** [Jonathan Freeman](https://twitter.com/jfonir)
**Co-producers:** Sam Baker and Jonathan Blackwell
**Related links:**
The Gender Knot was chosen as one of [The Guardian's podcasts of the week](https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/jun/15/the-hawaiian-experiment-preparing-for-life-on-mars-podcasts-of-the-week?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other), thanks to [Daniel Carroll](https://twitter.com/dannysummertime) of the podcast [Fine and Dandy with Dan and Andy](https://fineanddandypod.com/) for the review
The Gender Knot [t-shirts are now available here](https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-gender-knot)
[Other Men Need Help](http://othermenneedhelp.com/)’s episode [Manual Men](https://radiopublic.com/other-men-need-help-G3VnLg/ep/s1!e67b93f2ec206069ddf76f928ace82dc33baa974) which is mentioned in this conversation
Other Men Need Help are looking for interviewees for their next season, get in touch at **othermenneedhelp@gmail.com** - they are looking for men partnered with significantly younger people, men who can talk about financial insecurities related to partners, men with significant others who are more sexually experiences, men who are bald/balding and men up for sharing something about their appearance they privately want to change or hide.
[MC Dizraeli](http://www.dizraeli.com/)'s crowdfunder for his [upcoming album The Unmaster - the indiegogo page is here](https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dizraeli-s-new-album-the-unmaster#/). Dizraeli's previous episodes on The Gender Knot include [Why don't men talk](https://audioboom.com/posts/6481978-why-don-t-men-talk) and [Can men fail](https://audioboom.com/posts/6610932-can-men-fail)
[The Gender Knot](https://www.thegenderknot.com/) podcast and [Facebook page](https://www.facebook.com/groups/182851532302085/)
**Music:** Government Funded Weed by Black Ant (used under Creative Commons)
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