Pivot Schooled #5: The Psychology of Recovery, with Recode co-founder Walt Mossberg, Howard University's Dr. Wayne A.I. Frederick, and Los Angeles Superintendent Austin Beutner

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the process of recovery from COVID-19, with a focus on how college and K-12 education will be permanently reshaped by the pandemic. They're joined by three guests: Howard University president Dr. Wayne A.I. Frederick; Austin Beutner, the superintendent of the Los Angeles Unified School District; and Walt Mossberg, the co-founder of Recode who now serves on the board of the News Literacy Project. Plus: A prediction from former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo, two listener questions — including one from Kara's son Louie — and predictions about Shopify and TikTok. Get your Pivot Schooled hats, mugs, shirts and more at PivotSchooled.com/Shop. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices