Changing Police Culture from the Inside Out

America's criminal justice system - and police norms in particular - are under the public microscope. Ernie Stevens and Joe Smarro are cops from San Antonio’s police department who have played a pivotal role in seeding a more humane culture there, with ripple effects emanating out into the broader community. In this episode, they share all that they’ve learned and would like to see as the country wrestles with “Defund the police."