Ali and Michael have been together since their high school days over 17 years ago. After their first year of college, Ali brought up the idea of opening their relationship and to her delight, Michael was up for it. Thirteen years, and many bumps and bruises later, they have dabbled in kink, swinging, and polyamory trying to find what works best for them. Right now, they've decided on the broadest description they could come up with: ethically non-monogamous. This conversation covers so much - from dealing with and basically overcoming shame, to how they created a beautiful throuple dynamic with a partner in Iceland. Definitely do not skip this one!