Steve: Hello, welcome back to another episode of Discipleship .ca. My name is Steve, and with me today is Teresa. Thanks for joining us as we have another discussion with the hope and the whole of encouraging you in your daily walk of faith and journey towards Christ's likeness as we explore scripture, faith, and Christian life as well as talking about what Jesus is teaching us on our journeys of faith.
Teresa: You know, it's kind of like when you get going and you're preaching and you just get going faster and faster and faster and faster. And there are times like, I feel like I need a sign that says, slow down. This is like, this is not in a hundred mile an hour zone.
Steve: Lawrence at church, he's not, he's not sure that even auctioneers can speak faster than I,
Teresa: You know what I mean? I kind of am inclined to agree with him there. Even this morning, a little bit today is a Sunday, we're recording on a Sunday. And I was like, Oh dude.
Steve: I got away. I got excited.
Teresa: And faster. But he won't look at me while he's preaching, because I guess maybe I make faces or something. I don't know.
Steve: Yeah. Yes.
Teresa: I just look at you…Yes, or maybe if I'm not looking at you, you're you wonder, ‘why is she staring off somewhere?’
Steve: Or you're on your phone.
Teresa: No, I have been good about that lately, yeah.
Steve: I see a lot of things that I just pretend that I don't see.
Teresa: With me or with everybody?
Steve: Everybody.
Teresa: Okay, because I was like, ‘dude’.
Steve: I don't know for those of you that are listening, I don't know how it works for you on a Sunday, but for me on a Sunday morning when I'm preaching (smaller church, one service) I can tell you who was sitting where.
Teresa: Oh, I know. I will tow the line, I behave myself by not even checking the time on my phone, (because that's usually what I'm doing), when you stop talking about me and your sermon illustrations!... Oh, look, that's never gonna happen. What?
Steve: I didn't talk about you today.
Teres: Yes, you did.
Steve: No, no, I talked about, no, I didn't.
Teresa: No, you did.
Steve: What did I say?
Teresa: Really? About seeing me on that first freshman tour and ‘you're gonna marry me’, and someone said, "No way, you don't have a chance with her." You did talk about me.
Steve: Well, I was talking about me.
Teresa: But, I was part of that story.
Steve: True. We've totally digressed. People are listening and they're like what is wrong...
Teresa: Yeah, what is happening to these people?
Steve: Okay, so today we are looking at more of the gospel scenes with Jesus. Last week we looked at the first half of the Sermon on the Mount. Today we're going to look at the second half. It's just this continuing idea that Jesus is talking to the people that have gathered with him there about this desire that God has for us to dive deeper into his word. Because, when we dig into the truth of Scripture, we uncover things that could possibly harm us, in life. There's some warnings there. We see God's clearly pouring out his love and his desire to see us grow through what he's teaching us in the word. We get direction to live life and get encouragement along the way, right? And this is like that in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is taking a bunch of Old Testament teaching and he's bringing it to light under him, which will be then fulfilled a little bit farther again at the cross. So, we sit here looking back at the Sermon on Mount through the lens of the cross trying to figure out, okay, so what's this mean for us today? So it's this thing where it's like some of it is warning, some of it is encouragement, some of it is just straight God pouring out his grace,
mercy, and love on you. Then we've got to sort out what that all means. So today. We're going to run from Matthew chapter 6:19 all the way to Matthew chapter 7:29, but we will skip some sections. Let's look at Matthew chapter 6:19 - 21.
Teresa: Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on the earth where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in inside steal but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Steve: you're supposed to stop right there. All right, so right off the bat, Jesus is pointing out the things that actually control us.
Teresa: Yeah right right
Steve: Time. What treasure treasure it is, what is it that you fixate your heart and mind on? Our hearts and our minds and our actions will all end up being centered on what we value the most.
Teresa: Yeah. Right.
Steve: So, if you are willing to sacrifice everything for Family.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: Then what you value most is family. If you're willing to sacrifice everything for possessions - you know, you need the newest and the best in the things? The way we live our lives starts to show us what we're actually centering our lives on, and what we value the most. And as Jesus kind of just dismantles all of that in, what, three verses? He says, "For where your treasure is, there your heart will also be." Now, you have to remember, we've already gone through the Lord's prayer and we've already gone through the Beatitudes. Remember last week where we talked about how you should live if you want to be blessed by God? This is how you live, right? And now he's saying. “ oh, yeah, but here's the thing. If you get sidetracked by treasure, it's clear that your heart's not in the place that I just told you to have it.”
Teresa: Yeah. Right.
Steve: And so we have this wrestle that we're supposed to be seeking a treasure that should last, because where your treasure is - that's where your heart is. And Jesus wants your heart. So then he just continues on from there verse 22 through to 24.
Teresa: The eye is the lamp of the body, so if your eye is healthy your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness? No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Steve: Yeah, that right there, that verse 24 is the one that gets twisted all the time because people will say, and the most popular way to say it in North American lately is there are two dogs at war inside of you or two wolves or two whatever…
Teresa: Right. Right.
Steve: And one is, you know, leading good and one is bad and whatever one you feed is the one that grows, that’s the one that will take over. But that's not actually what this says, right?
Teresa: No
Steve: You can't serve two masters. You're either going to hate one or love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other, right? So it's not that one is going to go away. This tension is always going to be there.
Teresa: I love how it goes right to the heart. of the matter. You cannot serve God and money. It's like your two masters could be anything, but chances are money is going to be what the issue is. Chances are, as the Son of God, I'm going to tell you what these two things are. Because I know - I have this educated experience about you.
Steve: And the thing is too, even when it's not money, that is your driving factor.
Teresa: Yeah, yeah, you're motivation.
Steve: For some people they're driving factor is quite literally the amount in their bank
Teresa: Yes, I have heard of that.
Steve: But for some people it's a wealth -adjacent thing, like, I got a better house than you. I’ve got a better car.
Teresa: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Steve: I’ve got better stuff. I take nicer vacations, I live at a different level,
right? All those things, but what is that? Money. Yeah, all right. Like you don't get those things without money.
Teresa: Yeah, no, that's right.
Steve: So Jesus is pointing out pretty much the way that it's gonna work,
Teresa: Right.
Steve: We can't serve both God and money and having money is a real disclosure, like, if we've got people out there that are are on the scale of richer, that doesn't make you more loved by God. Or if you have people on the scale of poor, that doesn't make you despised by God, it doesn't make you more loved by God. But what we do with that treasure that we have is the big question.
Teresa: Where's your heart in this? Yeah, exactly.
Steve: So we're supposed to be careful about what we allow into our sight, in our minds and our sight, right? That's how this starts. The eye is the lamp of the body. So if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light. And the idea here with your healthy eye is, do you see things for what they are? Money is a tool, right?
There are a lot of things in this world that are good tools, good things to use in life.
Teresa: And necessary tools.
Steve: Horrible masters.
Teresa: Yes.
Steve: And a perfect example is everybody's smartphones.
Teresa: Hmm.
Steve: They can get you a lot of things done in a really short period of time, and they can also gobble up entire days, scrolling mindlessly through social media and /or games or whatever you might do to escape. Great tool, if it's used properly, horrible master if it's not. And there's a lot of things in our world that are that way. The key here is when Jesus says, "It's about how you view things."
Teresa: Right.
Steve: If your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. And then the light that is in you is darkness. How great is the darkness, right? Like it's just like when you lose sight of how this world is actually supposed to work, it can get really dark really fast, because you end up being owned by the things in the world. Which is horrible, right? So right off the bat, there's this little bit of a thing where it's like we should probably avoid those areas that cause us to see things poorly.
Teresa: Right. Exactly, or when we start putting something at a higher level in our life than it should be at, then we need to start dealing with those things.
Steve: So what does this turn into? It turns into guarding our hearts, guarding our minds, guarding our lives from being wooed by the things of the world.
Teresa; Yeah. Right.
Steve: So, if you spend lots of time watching and consuming media with commercials, what are they trying to do? They're trying to woo you into purchasing whatever it is that they're selling.
Teresa: Right.
Steve: Trying to get you to do something different.
Teresa: Some more cleverly than others.
Steve: Yeah, some are really good at it, like those late night infomercials and you just are like, we have to buy stuff.
Teresa: No, I have never. I mean, that's never been a temptation for me.
Steve: We do own a couple things that have come to us by late -night TV.
Teresa: Not because of me, babe.
Steve: No, but we use them. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying that we have them. So we have to be aware of that,
Teresa: Right.
Steve: And not fall into those traps of things that enter into us and kind of sidetrack us with weird endeavors.
Teresa: Right.
Steve: But Jesus isn't done dismantling life for us as we know it. He goes on there to chapter 6:25, 26, and 27.
Teresa; "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air. They neither sow nor reap, nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
Steve: So don't worry okay?
Teresa: Easy right? Okay, I'm not going to worry.
Steve: Reality here is, this bit Jesus is talking about, it's right in the middle of this, and you can't add to your life right? You can't change what you need, there's so many things that we can't do. And Jesus is saying, stop worrying about those things. Right? Like we make plans for the future.
Teresa: Which is not wrong, it’s smart, but trust him. Have your palms open, hands open. Trusting he is leading and guiding.
Steve: Right. So often as we're trying to sort out what is it that God's actually calling us to do, it's this process of trying to figure out what is the right thing to do in the midst of several things that could be right.
Teresa: Exactly. And and even if all of those things aren't wrong but if put all your hopes and trust in those things instead of God, then that's where it becomes that idol. it becomes that master.
Steve: Yeah.
Teresa: Right? Because we all need to eat, we all need to wear clothes . We know all of this, but I think what the point here is, is that's not your focus. That's not what you think of every day. That's not in the middle of driving you.
Steve: There's also the perfect example of clothing. We all need to wear clothes. Well, how much time and energy do we spend thinking about what kind of clothes?
Teresa: Oh, that's true too, not just whatever clothes.
Steve: So we live in Canada, I'm looking out the window, there's snow on the ground. I need different clothes than somebody who lives in a tropical climate, but I also don't need all of the clothes choices that if we were to go to the local mall that are there.
Teresa: You might want them.
Steve: I just need the basics, right? We all just need the basics, but we do spend an exorbitant amount of time thinking about how this will all work together.
Teresa: But I think an image like the heart, it all comes out to the heart.
Steve: And so as you kind of unpack, there's more to this little section here, this don't be anxious or don't worry section that talks about the fact that we can't by worrying add any days to our life. And it gets to the end down at verse 34, we're not actually reading it. So we get to verse 34, it says don't be anxious about tomorrow. For tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient is the day for its own trouble. Jesus is literally saying, “ how about just deal with today”.
Teresa: Yeah, like - guys today's enough. You’ve got enough to deal with today.
Steve: But in that, you get the basic truth and that's what you can't change.
Teresa: Yeah, just let it go. That is so hard to do though. Like, it's so easy for somebody who actually worries about things. People say, we'll just stop worrying. It's like- okay thanks for that. As somebody who struggles with anxiety… I'm like, “so helpful”.
Steve: In case you've ever seen those social media memes and stuff where, one person is just carefree and doesn't think about the future and never worries, and they marry somebody who is stressed out about everything? That is our relationship and I am not the worrier.
Teresa: Yeah.. Just a constant state of panic over here.
Steve: And it's just one of those things. So for me, it's really quite easy. Like this whole section on my little piece of paper is about 12 words: worry can't add any time. What you can't change: let go.
Teresa: But worry can take time away, because it actually is bad for your health. It is actually hard on your body.
Steve: Totally. I mean, and that's what I think Jesus is teaching us here. That it is a destructive spiral to get into. Jesus is saying don't think past today. You gotta get out of today first before tomorrow is actually a problem, and that's a big deal. That should be a freeing thing for us to realize.
Teresa: Oh it should be.
Steve: Like yes, we've got groceries in the house and there's food for the meals. We know what the the schedule looks like and what days where we have to be when and where and all that kind of stuff, but you know. we're sitting here on Sunday afternoon, Wednesday doesn't matter. What if I don't make it to Wednesday?
Teresa: Okay, that’s kind of a dark thought.
Steve: Well, I could spend a whole lot of time today losing or focusing energy on something far away, or that might not happen.
Teresa: Or even the day might not go how you think it's going to go. So you spent all of that time and focus on something that is for nothing.
Steve: What you can't change, you let go. What you can, you do to the best of your ability and let go of the result.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: Right. So there's this freedom to not stress out over that. And I know it's hard for anybody to do that.
Teresa: It's intentional. Intentional, I think. And yeah, it is hard for those of you that do struggle with any kind of anxiety, then you know it's not just a quick decision that you get to make about it. There's often many layers and many steps involved in that.
Steve: This is that process of preaching the gospel to yourself over and over and over, because who is the one that is sufficient for all of your worries?
Teresa: And that's Jesus.
Steve: That's Jesus. Who is the one that is orchestrating all things for you? For your good?
Teresa: Well, that's Jesus.
Steve: And so by worrying, is it worrying that Jesus isn't sufficient?
Or is it worrying that you're not going to be able to achieve and do what is necessary?
Teresa: I think there's a lot of layers that could be there.
Steve: There's a lot of layers and that's why, but that act of preaching the gospel to yourself is important. That's what I think is in the Sermon on the Mount here. All throughout in little pictures, is preaching the gospel of Christ to yourself, the sufficiency of Him and trusting in that.
Teresa: That's right.
Steve: Okay, so this next section, chapter 7:1-12
Teresa: “Judge not that you not be judged. For with the judgment you pronounce, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you seek the speck that is in your brother's eye? But do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, let me take the speck out of your eye when there's a log in your own eye, you hypocrite. First, take the log out of your own eye and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Do not give dogs what is holy and do not throw your pearls before pigs lest they trample them underfoot and attack you. Ask and it will be given to you. Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be open to you. For everyone who asks receives and the one who seeks finds. And to the one who knocks, it will be opened. Or which of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone. Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent. If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children. How much more will your father, who is in heaven, give good things to those who ask him? So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the law and the prophets."
Steve: Yeah, that's all we get there. This is traditionally called the golden rule.
Teresa; Yeah, right.
Steve: Treat others the way you want to be treated. That's kind of where this comes from.
Teresa: Common courtesy really, but not so common anymore.
Steve: But it's wrapped up in this whole section of not judging. Don't tell people the problems in their lives when you've got a bigger problem in your life. It's ignoring your own. And just in case everybody's wondering what looks like a speck in somebody else's life, if you've got a speck in your life it's like you're looking past a log.
Teresa: Yeah, yeah.
Steve: Because of perspective, the closer it is to you, the bigger it seems right? So the the thing that you've got to deal with in your life, oftentimes we feel better about it when we can point at somebody else's deficiency, so we judge people. We try to put them in their place. And we try to say, if they would just clean this area for their life, or stop do doing ‘that’, or get rid of ‘this’ habit, or whatever it might be, we start to feel better about ourselves. And it's all in that judging of others, rather than evaluating and dealing with our own lives.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: It's such a common thing. And so even if you look back over all of the stuff, what is the worry? The worry is trying to achieve something that isn't happening.
Teresa: Yeah,
Steve: Lots of times we're worried about the results of things.
Teresa: Yeah, right.
Steve: And it's something that maybe we can control, maybe we can't, but rather than working at it, we worry about it. Or sometimes we work at it and worry about it.
Teresa: Sometimes we do both. I'm great at doing both.
Steve: You go even farther back and become, what do we fixate our minds on? Well, a lot of us fixate our minds on things, and then we worry about when we're going to get them, or why we don't have them, or how are we going to do them.
And then a lot of us look at other people and say, “Man, I wish that you would just deal with your mess because that would make my life easier.” But we're not dealing with our own mess, and then it all kind of snowballs together through this whole section. And this one really just gets wrapped up in: Why are we judging other people rather than dealing with ourselves.
Teresa: Right?
Steve: We're supposed to keep short accounts with ourselves and short accounts with our relationship with Christ. So then we get down to this part, “Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and it will be open to you. Everyone who asks receives…” Okay well, why do we worry? Well, because we don't have what we think we need.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: Or we're worried about not getting that what is the laying up of treasures. It's trying to acquire what we think we need. What is the judging? It's when we're looking at other people and we want what they have. And Jesus just lays it down and says, just ask me.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: Just ask me for what you think you need. And I'll work with you. I will come in and just like the son that gets bread instead of a stone or a fish instead of a serpent,
Jesus is saying, I'm not going to give you bad things.
Teresa: Mm -hmm.
Steve: He doesn't actually say he's going to give you what you ask for. He's going to work with you, where you are at, to see what he's at work doing in your life. And that's the reality. This whole thing is about coming through and submitting ourselves to the will of Christ, right? So we seek Jesus always. Our needs are met in him alone. This ask, seek, seek, and knock deal? Growing up in a liturgical church with a big stained glass window was a picture of Jesus holding a lamp, knocking on the door. And it said, ask, seek, and knock, right? That verse was right on the bottom. Now, I wasn't saved, I didn't understand it and I looked at it all the time, you know, this 40 foot tall Jesus or however tall that stained glass window was. That was my first gospel experience. That’s the thing I knew before I knew John 3:16.
Teresa: Because it was in front of you.
Steve: Because it was in front of me. It was right there And this idea is that we come to the only one who can make a difference in this world. To ask him to make a difference in our world.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: Whether that's personal or corporate or communal or whatever way you want to look at it. We are to come to Jesus and go through this process of coming to him and trusting that what he gives us is actually something good.
Teresa: Right, absolutely.
Steve: Okay, last section. Chapter 7: 24 -29.
Teresa: “Everyone then who hears these words of mind and does them, will be like a wise man who built his house on a rock. And the rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell and the floods came and the winds blew and beat against that house and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” All the way to the end. end?
Steve: to 29
Teresa: “And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority and not as their scribes.”
Steve: Yeah, not as their scribes. He wasn't just repeating something. He was telling them new things, right? And not that they were new, but that he was coming to change the way it was understood.
Teresa: That's right.
Steve: He came and changed the way it was understood. So here you get down to it and it's kind of a wrap -up. From Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7 is the Sermon on the Mount. I would encourage you if you've listened to the last two weeks and you're kind of like oh my goodness this is good stuff, go back and just read Matthew chapter 5, 6, and 7.
Teresa: The Sermon on the Mount is powerful.
Steve: And just imagine Jesus sitting with a great big crowd around him and he's just explaining life to them. Because that's kind of what he's doing here. Like they're saying, "How do you pray?" And he's giving them the Lord's prayer. They're saying, "How are we supposed to live life?" And he's talking about what to do about treasure and worry and all of these things. And finally, he gets to the end and he says, "If you've been listening to me…"
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: And you just... do what I've been telling you.
Teresa: Yeah,
Steve: It's going to be like a house with a good foundation.
Teresa: Yeah, who doesn't want that?
Steve: We all do. You all do, right? And I mean, I've lived in places where, just the bare ground is the foundation. There is no prep done at all, right?
Teresa: Yeah, yeah.
Steve: Currently the house we live in is older, so we have part of our basement as our cellar. Underneath, it's not really living space, but it's big enough that you can go down there. And it's where all the water and heater and furnace and all that kind of stuff are - the mechanical things. Part of it is concrete dug out properly, and part of it is just dirt. A big pile of dirt. So when the snow is melting, water comes into our basement and we have to have a pump that pumps it right back out. That's not the house that He’s telling us to build. He's saying, put it on a rock, a rock that won't be moved. Make sure that you are making this life, when he's using the metaphor of a house, make sure you're making this life to have a foundation that is so secure that you're going to survive the difficulties, because problems... and difficulties are going to come.
Teresa: Absolutely.
Steve: And you just spent two chapters of your Bible, well three chapters of your Bible, telling you what the most common problems and difficulties are.
Teresa: Yeah.
Steve: This is what you're going to get wrapped up in. Here's what you need to do in response. And now they're not quite, you know, lists for us to follow like checkmarks.
Teresa: Right.
Steve: But they are kind of things for us to read and sort out and think about and go, well, what do I look at? What do I let into my heart? What is causing the darkness? How do I stop judging? What about worry? And all of these things start to lay together and we even skipped entire sections.
Teresa: Yeah, we did.
Steve: We skipped quite a few sections. But when we put God's word as the anchoring and foundational spot for our life, when the tough times come, they're not going to destroy it. Destroy us, because we've got that firm rock foundation that we're building life on. That's why I love the Sermon on the Mount. So if you've got the time, read Matthew chapter five, six, and seven.
Teresa: Yeah. Well guys, thanks for joining us for a conversation today. If you've enjoyed the podcast, you can always subscribe, leave a like, or comment on our social streams, or even tell others about us. We appreciate any help in getting connected to people who are interested. As always, you can find us online at discipleship .ca and on Facebook and Instagram. Have a great day and I hope you can join us next time.
Steve: ‘Till next time.
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