Conversations With Guest Leslie Martin, Part 1

Today Cinthia branches out from the weekly show to begin this daily version!  She is joined by Pastor Leslie Martin, an old friend Cinthia greatly respects who also occupied this time slot until recently.  The two discuss what it means to deal with the grief and loss associated with change - even good change - while also trusting that God is with us as we face it.  Cinthia and Leslie also discuss the difference between guilt and shame and the way that Jesus's death and resurrection cover both.