The mindcrime liberty show discusses education and what is it for? Is there a difference between schooling and learning? Is education in the mainstream state schools merely obedience training, signaling and an exercise in taking tests/writing papers to appease ones teachers or professors? What ought an ideal education system's purpose be? Swithun defines this as the cultivation of ones mind and body to do meaningful productive work and be a (good) whatever role one wants or is capable of (bus driver, father, mother, scientist, philosopher or electrician). It is quite clear that the existing education system in the developed world does not provide many or all people with the opportunity described for development and meaningful work and worse still in-debts many persons in the US and wastes there time (opportunity cost) only to work at jobs which don't really need 4 to 8 years of formal education on top of the 13 years in primary/secondary schools. The state schooling system doesn't even provide many people with community either and actually many boys in particular do not like school at all and are drugged in order to stay in school. We then discuss homeschooling, deschooling and private schooling and whether this provides a solution or a "less bad" solution. Tim pushes back reluctantly at certain aspects of the deschooling and homeschooling movement as rather idealistic suggesting that considering how crooked society is at times you must learn to "play the game" (ie cheat, lie and appease a master such as a teacher or professor). It is quite clear that school sucks but is unclear whether it can be replaced.