Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 289 - The Life & Afterlife of Billy Graham
Episode 288: Guest Drew Dyck on Billy Graham & Deep Work
Episode 287: Theology Mailbag & Christians Say Dumb Things
Episode 286: Have We Gotten Heaven Wrong?
Episode 285: Why Churches Struggle with #MeToo with Katelyn Beaty
Episode 284: Pot Churches and the Wall of Separation Between Church & State
Episode 283: What's Going On With Evangelicals and Same-Sex Marriage With Jonathan Merritt
Episode 282: Telling Stories From the Middle w/Andrew Peterson & Chris Wall
Episode 280: Vampire Churches and Hibernating Turtles
Episode 279: Mailbag Podcast
Episode 278: Writing Hymns & Singing Together w/Keith Getty
Episode 277: Throwback "Sticky Faith" with Guest Kara Powell!
Episode 276: Media, Mars & Read Schuchardt
Episode 275: Christians and Culture w/Miroslav Volf
Episode 274: Shooting the Breeze w/NT Wright
Episode 273: Throwback W/Todd Komarnicki
Episode 272: Immigration & the Church w/Liz Dong
Episode 271: End Times, Football Protests & Toilet Money
Episode 270: Imaginative Prayer w/Jared Patrick Boyd
Episode 269: Muslims and Christians w/Carl Medearis
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