Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
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Episode 362: The Sexual Prosperity Gospel with Katelyn Beaty
Episode 361: Prophets, Pigeonaries, and Politics
Episode 360: The Christian Case for Reparations with Theon Hill
Episode 359: Declining Marriage, Mammal Brains, & Turkey Murder
Episode 358: Christians vs. Satanist in Offensive Prayer Showdown with John Inazu
Episode 357: Nones Love Nuns & Us Versus Them with David Fitch
Episode 356: The Future of the Church with Mike Erre (Part 2)
Episode 355: The Future of the Church with Mike Erre (Part 1)
Episode 354: Persecution, Privilege, & Identity Politics with John Fea
Episode 353: Beating Guns into Garden Tools with Shane Claiborne
Episode 352: Athleisure, Abortion, and Ancient Squirrels with Mike Nawrocki
Episode 351: The Opposite of Poverty Isn’t the American Dream
Episode 350: The Christian Wisdom of Cognitive Dissonance
Episode 349: Brain Damaged Fundamentalists & the Failure of Liberalism
Ep 348: Preachers, Sneakers, & Post-Church Believers
Ep 347: The Inexpressible Lovingkindness of God with Michael Card
Ep 346: Confronting the Evangelical Industrial Complex with Julie Roys
Episode 345: Torah! Torah! Torah! with Dr. John Walton
Episode 344: Outrage, Evangelicals, & Anuses with Ed Stetzer
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