Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 396: Pandemic, Mr. Phil TV, & Foreign Policy with Bonnie Kristian
Episode 395: The End of the World is Nigh!
Episode 394: The Cure for Jerks with Eugene Cho
Episode 393: Who Moved My Refugees? with Matthew Soerens (Part 2)
Episode 392: Who Moved My Refugees? with Matthew Soerens (Part 1)
Episode 391: Teens, Faith, & Anxiety with Kara Powell
Episode 390: Halftime Hullabaloo & Drew Dyck’s Picks
Episode 389: Leveling the Church with Micah Fries
Episode 388: From Culture Wars to Common Good with Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove
Episode 387: The Christian Post & Team Trump w/ Napp Nazworth
Episode 386: Mailbag of the Decade
Episode 385: Where the Gospel Meets Social Media
Episode 384: A Christmas Message for the Smartphone Generation
Episode 383: Breaking News- CT v Trump
Episode 382: The Right Side of History with Os Guinness
Episode 381 Screens & Perpetual Immaturity with Read Schuchardt
Episode 380: The Next Sexual Frontier with Preston Sprinkle
Episode 379: The World According to N.T. Wright
Episode 378: Is the “Real” America Urban or Rural? with Brandon O’Brien
Episode 377: The Faith of Mister Rogers with Shea Tuttle
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