Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
French Friday: Falwell & the Fruit of Evangelical Leadership
Episode 493: Fundy Fashion & Native American Christianity with Matthew Milliner
Episode 492: After School Satan Clubs, MLK Day, & Disturbing Bible Stories with Esau McCaulley & David T. Lamb
Episode 491: American Democracy & American Inerrancy with Michael F. Bird
Episode 490: Lessons from the Global Church with Christine Caine
French Friday: Jeremiads & Drones
Episode 489: The Evangelical Empire Strikes Back & Barna Briefs with David Kinnaman
Episode 488: How Trump Stole Christmas & Paul and Gender with Cynthia Long Westfall
Episode 487: Why Gen Z is “Unbundling” Faith with Josh Packard
Episode 486: The Gospel and Fake News with Love Thy Neighborhood
Episode 485: The Biblical Case for Redemptive Privilege with Dominique DuBois Gilliard
French Friday - "Nerdfest 2021"
Episode 484: Why to Leave Evangelicalism & How to Stay with Dan Stringer
Holy Post Episode 483: Faith, Science, and the Covid Vaccines with Francis Collins
Episode 482: Truth, Lies, and Spiritual Imagination with John Mark Comer
Episode 481: Admitting the Skeletons in Christianity’s Closet with John Dickson
FRENCH FRIDAY: The Great American Divorce
Episode 480: The Myth of the Religious Right with Randall Balmer
Episode 479: Everything Doesn’t Happen For a Reason with Kate Bowler
Episode 478: Foreign Policy, Adoption, & Race with Esau McCaulley & Jamie Ivey
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