Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 528: Can Ancient Liturgy Save Evangelicalism? with Aaron Damiani
Episode 527: Does God Want Public Christian Symbols? & Non-Anxious Leadership with Mark Sayers
Episode 526: Was the Constitution Divinely Inspired? with Kaitlyn Schiess
What In the World? EPISODE 3: The Word of God
Episode 525: Why Don’t Evangelicals Care About the Climate? & American Extremism w/ Bob Roberts Jr.
Episode 524: Debt Forgiveness & Developing an Integrated Faith with Rich Villodas
French Friday: De-Radicalizing the Church & Learning from Atheists
Episode 523: Cultivating a Curious Faith with Lore Ferguson Wilbert
Episode 522: The New Secular South & Celebrities for Jesus with Katelyn Beaty
What in the World? EPISODE 2: The Image of God with Vinoth Ramachandra
Episode 521: Flirting with Fascism & Can Christians Be Patriots? with Richard Mouw
Episode 520: Phil & Skye Answer Listener Voicemails
French Friday: The New God Gap & Discipled by Trump
Episode 519: How Reaganism Won the Church & Skye’s New Book
Episode 518: Christian Nationalism Round-Up & Disability Justice with Amy Kenny
What in the World? EPISODE 1: The Kingdom of God with Ruth Padilla DeBorst
Episode 517: Can the Global Church Save the American Church? with Matthew Soerens
Episode 516: A Boomer and a Millennial on the Future of the Church with Nancy Beach & Samantha Beach Kiley
Episode 515: America After Roe & Pursuing Shalom with Amy Sherman
French Friday: School Choice & the Future of the GOP
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