Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
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Episode 507: Dubuque, Demons, & Defying Patriarchy (Part Deux) with Beth Allison Barr
French Friday: Football Prayer & CRT Hysteria
Episode 506: The Pro-Life Case for Paid Family Leave with Rachel Anderson
Episode 505: Stupid Social Media & Learning to Love While Offended with Albert Tate
Episode 504: Political Worship Rallies, Trump’s Racial Topography, & New Picks from Drew Dyck
Episode 503: Woke Disney, Teens in Crisis, & Racial Reconciliation with Derwin Gray
Episode 502: Secular Sexual Ethics, Faith, & Autism with Daniel Bowman Jr.
French Friday: Trans Athletes & Good Liberalism
Episode 501: “Don’t Say Gay” & Latino Evangelicals with Gabriel Salguero
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Episode 499: The End of Racial Reconciliation & Rescuing Evangelicalism with David Brooks
Episode 498: Making Christian Disciples or Christian Nationalists? with David Kinnaman
French Friday: Putin, Pentecostals, & Christian Nationalism
Episode 497: The Progressive Christian Checklist & Ending Online Worship with Tish Harrison Warren
Episode 496: The Embrace of Tyrants & the Despair of Pastors
Episode 495: The False Gospel of Democracy with Robert Tracy McKenzie
Episode 494: Falwell Fallout & How Not to Read the Bible with Dan Kimball
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