Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
561: How the Evangelical Movement Failed a Generation with Jon Ward
560: The Rise of Retaliation Politics & How to Suffer Well with Alan Noble
559: The Nashville Shooting & Preaching to a Divided Nation with Matthew Kim & Paul Hoffman
French Friday: Transgenderism & Parental Rights
558: Saddleback vs the SBC & Misusing the Marriage Metaphor with Beth Felker Jones & Amy Peeler
557: The Rise of Christian Nashville-ism & What Christians Must Do with Claude Alexander
556: Teen Mental Health Revisited & Digital Discipleship with Nona Jones
555: “The Article” & Biblical Critical Theory with Christopher Watkin
554 Teenage Girls in Crisis & Rethinking Revelation with Scot McKnight
French Friday: The Real Masculinity Crisis
553: Revival Tourism & Christ vs Christians with Beth Moore
552 Jesus Gets Us & We Get Data on Christian Nationalists with Kristin Kobes Du Mez Vu
551 Power, Pacifism, & Being Consistently Pro-Life with Shane Claiborne
550 Demons, Democrats, & Dominionists, Oh My!
549 MLK, Black Voices & A New Book on Lent w/Esau McCaulley
548 Andy Stanley, Spirit Warriors & The Greatest Threat To Christianity
547 French Friday: Selling Out, Gay Wedding Websites, & How People Change
546 England’s Same-Sex Marriage Compromise & Brazil’s January 6th
545 What Story is the Bible Telling? with Timothy Gombis
544: MLK, Reparations, & the Benefits of Awe
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