Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
572: Christian Nationalist Hospitality & Atheists Get Political with Ryan Burge
French Friday: Nerdfest - UFO Edition
571: TV, Authoritarianism, & the Formative Power of Reading with Jessica Hooten Wilson
570: Hello AI Sermons, Goodbye Saddleback, & Happy Juneteenth with Rasool Berry
569: Shiny Happy Certainty & How Women Led in the Early Church with Nijay Gupta
568: Oh, Boycotts! & What Happened to Humility? with Richard Foster & Brenda Quinn
567: Christian Nationalism Roundup & the Doctrine of Hell
French Friday: Update from Ukraine & The Future Of Affirmative Action
566: Tim Keller, American Poverty, & the Legacy of Rich Mullins with James Bryan Smith
565: The Vegan Bible, Loveless Christianity, & Spiritual Narcissism with Rainn Wilson
564: How Rapture Theology Shaped America (Part 2)
563: How Rapture Theology Shaped America (Part 1)
French Friday: How to Thrive in a Post-Christian Culture
562: Fox Fires Tucker, Toxic Gun Culture, & Rethinking Revivals with Derwin Gray
561: How the Evangelical Movement Failed a Generation with Jon Ward
560: The Rise of Retaliation Politics & How to Suffer Well with Alan Noble
559: The Nashville Shooting & Preaching to a Divided Nation with Matthew Kim & Paul Hoffman
French Friday: Transgenderism & Parental Rights
558: Saddleback vs the SBC & Misusing the Marriage Metaphor with Beth Felker Jones & Amy Peeler
557: The Rise of Christian Nashville-ism & What Christians Must Do with Claude Alexander
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