Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
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617: Apple Crushes It & the Future of Christianity with Matthew Niermann
616: Black Church Politics & Messy Authenticity with Nancy French
615: Taylor Swift’s Sacrilege & the Future of the Republican Party with Peter Wehner
French Friday: Israel’s Error and College Protests
614: The Rise of Raunchy Christians & Avoiding Civil War with Tracy McKenzie
613: Driscoll, Dawkins, & Political Discipleship with Curtis Chang
612: The Religious Vacuum, Politics, & the Powers with N.T. Wright
611: Trump’s Bible, Biden’s Easter, and Climate Change for Christians with Katharine Hayhoe
French Friday: TikTok Ban & Who Should Hold the Reins of Social Media
610: Learning to Disagree Respectfully with John Inazu
609: Rebounding Pastors, Shifting Evangelicals, & Rethinking Christian Media with Jon Houghton
608: Defining the Gospel & Who’s a “Real” Christian with Matthew Bates
607: The Gift of Disillusionment with Mike Cosper
606: Alabama Embryos & Catechizing Kids with Todd Hains & Natasha Kennedy
French Friday: Biden's Age & MAGA's Violence
605: Market-Driven Christianity & Abortion Beyond Politics with Angela Weszely
604: Faulty Foot Washing & Pagan Christianity with Nijay Gupta
603: The Politics of Fear & Rethinking the Cross with Brian Zahnd
602: When Vischer Met Reiner
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