Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 437: Ham on Phil - A Brief History of Young Earth Creationism
Episode 436: The Jericho March, SBC vs. CRT (Cont.), & Evangelical Elites
Episode 435: Enhanced Humans & the New Eugenics with Calum MacKellar
Episode 434: Critical Theory & the Christian with David Fitch
Episode 433: Ending the War on Drugs with Bonnie Kristian
Episode 432: The Idol of Individualism with E. Randolph Richards
Episode 431: Can Social Media be Redeemed? with Daniel Darling
Episode 430: The Politically Homogenous Church with Ryan Burge
Episode 429: Post-Election Night Reactions & Abortion Activism with David French
Episode 428: How Should Christians Vote?
Episode 427: Can 1968 Explain 2020? with Os Guinness
Episode 426: Power, Freedom, and Identity with N.T. Wright
Episode 425: Reading the Bible While Black with Esau McCaulley
Episode 424: Evil Algorithms & Faith-Based Movies with Luke Barnett
Episode 423: Is America’s Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? with David French
Episode 422: The Church’s Complicity in Racism with Jemar Tisby
Episode 421: Culture Warriors, Punching Protesters, & the Sacred Overlap with J.R. Briggs
Episode 420: Four False Political Gospels with Kaitlyn Schiess
Episode 419: Rethinking Roe, Crotch Christianity, & Militant Masculinity with Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Episode 418: The Pandemic, Power, & the Apocalypse
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