Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 423: Is America’s Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? with David French
Episode 422: The Church’s Complicity in Racism with Jemar Tisby
Episode 421: Culture Warriors, Punching Protesters, & the Sacred Overlap with J.R. Briggs
Episode 420: Four False Political Gospels with Kaitlyn Schiess
Episode 419: Rethinking Roe, Crotch Christianity, & Militant Masculinity with Kristin Kobes Du Mez
Episode 418: The Pandemic, Power, & the Apocalypse
Episode 417: Defining Justice, Disciplining Jerry Falwell Jr., & Debunking Conspiracies
Episode 416: Love & Truth in Politics with Justin Giboney
Episode 415: Compromise & Conviction with Jon Tyson
Episode 414: Religious Power vs. Religious Liberty with David French
Episode 413: Disney Princess Theology & COVID19 Activism with Theon Hill
Episode 412: This is Your Brain on God with Dr. Jim Wilder
Episode 411: Where Do We Go From Here? with David Kinnaman
Episode 410: White Privilege, Cancel Culture, & Reading Revelation with Juan Hernandez
Episode 409: Lessons from Phil’s Viral Video on Racism
Episode 408: Race, Riots, & Rethinking the Gospel with Matthew Bates
Episode 407: Celebrating Spiritual Curiosity with Jen Hatmaker
Episode 406: QAnon & Rediscipling the White Church with David Swanson
Episode 405: Listener Mailbag, “In Trump We Trust,” & Drew Dyck’s Pandemic Picks
Episode 404: Gender, Culture, and Leadership with Jo Saxton
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