Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 337: Theology Mailbag & the Death of Plinky Pete
Episode 336: Do Old Testament Commands Still Apply? With Mike Erre
Episode 335: The Past, Present, & Future of Politics with Jon Ward
Episode 334: The Wall, the Shutdown, & the Immigrant w/Matthew Soerens
Ep 333: Drew Dyck Disciplines Himself
Ep 332: Responsibility, Regulation, & Rocco the Parrot
Ep 331: The Church is Not a Corporation with Dave Gibbons
Episode 330: God & the Gay Bishop with Gene Robinson
Episode 329: Are Missionaries Heroes or Villains?
Ep 328: From Exodus, to Exile, to Embrace—The Future of Christian Cultural Engagement
Ep 327: The Young and the Young at Heart
Episode 326: Eugene Peterson Paid Attention to God with J.R. Briggs
Episode 325: Guns in Church
Episode 324: Is the Cross Divine Child Abuse? With Mike Erre
Episode 323: (Not) Debunking the 81% with Katelyn Beaty
Episode 322: Keep Christianity Weird with Michael Frost
Episode 321: Beth Moore gets Real, Lobsters get Baked, & Trump Prophecies get Roasted
Episode 320: Human Dignity & Political Civility with Daniel Darling
Episode 319: Rethinking America’s Definition of Freedom with Os Guinness
Episode 318: The Deeper Meaning of Nike’s Kaepernick Ad w/Drew Dyck
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