Former megachurch pastor, evangelical wunderkind, and author of “I Kissed Dating Goodbye,” Josh Harris, has since left his wife and renounced his faith. He’s now pitching himself as an expert guide for other ex-vangelicals. What does his story tell us about the evangelical subculture? Then, strange things are happening at John Piper’s church in Minneapolis where leaders are clashing over issues of race and abuse. And some pastors are resigning after being accused of “the sin of empathy.” Then, Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel return to discuss revisions to their 2017 book “The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb.” They stopped selling the book and revised it because one of the Christian leaders they celebrated as a “lamb” turned out to be a “dragon.” They’re now asking, why do we so often fail to spot toxic church leaders? Plus, scientists are making mini-brains from stem cells. But to their surprise, the brains have grown eyes. Leading Phil to ask, What could possibly go wrong?
News Segment
Updates from the crew (Jason’s cinnamon rolls and Christian’s film) [1:49]
Stem cell mini-brains with eyes [7:45]
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-used-stem-cells-to-make-mini-brains-they-grew-rudimentary-eyes
Josh Harris [16:21]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/joshua-harris-mars-hill-podcast-kissed-christianity-goodbye.html
“Bethlehem Baptist Leaders clash over ‘coddling’ and ‘cancel culture’” [33:20]
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/august-web-only/bethlehem-bcs-minneapolis-resign-meyer-empathy-rigney.html
Interview with Jamin Goggin & Kyle Strobel
The Way of the Dragon or the Way of the Lamb (Revised and updated edition): https://www.thomasnelson.com/p/way-of-the-dragon/
Episode 238 (Prior conversation with Jamin Goggin and Kyle Strobel):
https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/1eea0773/episode-238-power-and-the-church-withjamin-goggin-and-kyle-strobel
BONUS Patreon question: What do we do with the content and impact from toxic leaders?
https://www.patreon.com/posts/55594990
Interview Start [1:00:39]
Why is there a new edition? [1:02:37]
Original story and role of book [1:06:35]
How they processed the news of Jean Vanier’s abusive behavior [1:10:43]
Discerning wolves from lambs - is there hope for progress? [1:16:17]
Ministering to people who have been deceived and hurt [1:24:04]
Episode 303: Gay Wedding Cakes, Testosterone, & Big Conversations w/ Justin Brierley
Episode 302: Overreacting to Christian Purity Culture with Katelyn Beaty
Episode 301: Pastors & Power with Jon Tyson
Episode 300: Farewell, Phil Vischer Podcast. Hello, Holy Post.
Episode 299: What Americans Really Believe About God
Episode 298: Faith, Sexuality, & Gender with Preston Sprinkle
Episode 297: The Untold Origins of Religious Liberty w/Brandon O'Brien
Episode 296: Theology Mail Bag & Are Pastors Too Big to Fail?
Episode 295: Why is Politics Broken w/Jon Ward
Episode 294: Did Noah’s Flood Really Happen with Dr. John Walton
Episode 293: The Danger of a One-Dimensional Cross
Episode 292: Speaking Truth in the Age of Fake News w/Theon Hill
Episode 291: Country Music, Non-Discrimination, & Lizard Brains
Episode 290: Is Podcasting Destroying Preaching?
Episode 289 - The Life & Afterlife of Billy Graham
Episode 288: Guest Drew Dyck on Billy Graham & Deep Work
Episode 287: Theology Mailbag & Christians Say Dumb Things
Episode 286: Have We Gotten Heaven Wrong?
Episode 285: Why Churches Struggle with #MeToo with Katelyn Beaty
Episode 284: Pot Churches and the Wall of Separation Between Church & State
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